Russian women ask West Men

[Shadow]

Rina, your post are understandable for me no matter how you write. Being used to Russian language and translating between various languages I have little trouble in making content from words.
But for many men who know just a single language, it will be hard to read.

As for agencies, I have no first hand experience.
What I feel they should do is to make the quality of putting together men and women on a higher level as a dating site.

The level of men on dating sites ? All levels are there. From guys living in the basements oftheir parents who could not afford a trip in a million years to upper-class millionaires who are shocked to see people living in a two-room apartment as big as their dog house.

I used a dating site and found someone who was more close to myself than I can ever imagine, both in good and in bad habits.

As for the men on the dating sites and in the agencies, remember you have to kiss many frogs to find a prince.

[Rina_G]

remember you have to kiss many frogs to find a prince.

 :clapping:The best!

yes we have diferent content the same words.
It seems to me - real men have to use agency - I guess it's more expencive than member pay on dating site.
Is it correct?

[Mars]

Olga: Oh my life is ruined because of my idiot husband.
Sveta: What is the matter? You have a very kind and romantic husband.
Olga: He took all of our money out of savings and bet it on a lottery ticket. He said if he won, he would buy me everything in the world.
Sveta: Wow, what a romantic man. Why are you so sad? You got exactly the type of man that you wanted!
Olga: Because he didn't pick the winner, so we lost everything.
Sveta: But still it was so romantic of him to do that for you. Remember how he also bet everything, his time and money to come halfway around the world to see only you, when you told me at the time that you would only spend 10 minutes with him if you didn't like his looks or didn't feel the chemistry.  You thought it was very exciting and romantic that a man would risk everything for you.
Olga: But it is not romantic when he did it this time . . . risked everything.
Sveta:  Why not?
Olga: Because this time it was my effort and money involved too?

[Rina_G]

Thanks Mars 

where you found this dialog?

I hope theme about romantic will be continue? 

[groovlstk]

You thought it was very exciting and romantic that a man would risk everything for you.

I'm not sure I'm understanding your scenario. How is visiting one woman "risking everything?" At the very worst, a guy is out a few thousand $ and a week's vacation. It sucks (I've been there) but to extrapolate it into some general statement about men taking enormous risks doesn't sound right to me. Yes, there are guys who are stretched financially and can't afford to make a second, third, or fourth trip but their trainwrecks are right on schedule whether they meet 10 women or 1 woman on a first trip.

[Misha]

This is also the type of man who will use all his vacation time and scarce money to fly halfway around the world to meet only one woman placing everything on a single bet.

There are many reasons to visit the FSU other than to meet women. I don't see a man traveling to Russia, Ukraine or anywhere else as a foolish bet. Even if his first date is a dud, there are still many wonderful things to do and see in the FSU. A man can visit the Kremlin, the Hermitage, and a host of other truly amazing sites. I would, honestly, be more wary of the man who would be so narrow-minded and unadventurous who would be unable to enjoy a trip to another country for reasons other than to somehow bag a wife as quickly and efficiently as possible.

[Vaughn]

....to somehow bag a wife

[ECOCKS]

I’ve read you use service of  agency.
Tell me please – why? what plus of agency you see in searching?
How you relate to dating site?
What men (on your opinion) are on dating sites (or dating agency)– social class or another?
What is pleasure for you – to trust agency or to look for yourself?

Thanks for all
Rina

You ask a good question Rina.

The simple answer is supply and demand.

When men are looking for women they go where they can find them. Depending on your situation there are several options which may, or may not, be available.

If you are in the same geographical area, you can go hang out at a bar, church, park, coffeehouse or any other location where a group of eligible women might be found. Some will reject a location as inappropriate while others will think that certain locations are more likely to provide a good group that is what they are looking for in a woman.

I don’t like looking in bars or dance clubs since I don’t really care much for either scene. Women who hang out there are probably not ones I want to consider as possible partners in a long-term relationship. On the other hand, “Stanley” (just a made-up name) might really want a woman who parties a lot and loves dancing all night. Neither of us may want to go to church on Sunday and try to approach women who attend, but “Albert” (another random name) may be deeply religious and feels that meeting a woman at church is more likely to let him meet the right kind of woman <b>for him</b>.

Of course, if you are not located in the same area, you need some other form of contact. This may be the internet, introductions by friends or physically relocating for some time and starting direct contacts as mentioned above. That’s where the internet sites, like agencies and social networking sites can be useful.

Another challenge for many of us is unfamiliarity with the language and culture. A Russian social networking or personals site, even Craigslist or the like, may be okay for those with this understanding and I think it’s great if they have the skills and time to weed out those who post profiles which are targeted at local men as well as non-native foreigners. Some, like me, don’t care to spend the time dealing with language and communications issues to determine whether the woman is even interested in dating non-native men or their true language skill level. While some successfully use these “simple” dating sites, many of the “agencies” are merely specialized dating sites offering translation, gift-giving, travel arrangements and various other services and a group of women who have established that they are in fact willing to date foreigners.

Elena’s Models serves as a good case in point. While it is considered by some to be an “agency” many of us choose to use it only as a preview and introduction site to establish possible dates. They allow simple communication and establishing direct contact very quickly compared to those agencies which monitor emails and webcam sessions while preventing direct contact. All women there are presumed to be well aware that contacts will be non-natives and possibly non-Russian (or whatever) speakers.

Hope that helps you understand at least one person’s view of how this can work best for their needs!

[AdAstra]

If I can advise you, first question you should ask, within one month if everything seems to be ok, when you think to visit ? If answer is more than 3 months. Drop him. Traveling today is not complicated. We are not at the time of boats crossing the atlantic. If someone wants really wants to meet you, he can come just for a few days and come back later if things goes well.

Someone traveling to Kyyiv on Friday this week and staying until Wednesday will pay a minimum of US$1,070.  How much money should someone spend making trips?

another little advise, one friend in Ukraine is asking for photos of hands of men writing to her. She told that she likes men hands. In fact she wants to check if there is a spot of a ring....

Interesting.  Did it work?

Another time she was in love with a man from Florida who told her that he owns a plane. He sent her photo of him in front of the plane after a flight. I did a check for her: 1) he had no watch (find pilot who has no watch) 2) Plane was belonging to an air school after checking the registration.

1) Me (well, a really cheap one. It's for telling time, not for flaunting money).  I use the clock in the plane and a special aviation stopwatch for flying.
2) Are you sure it was a rental plane and not a flying club plane?  Flying club member share ownership of the plane, but the "owner's" name will be the name of the flying club.  I'm trying to start a club right now where I'd effectively own 1/4 of the plane.

Try to open eyes, the true story starts only after real meeting

Part of the problem is that internet ads are too vague.  They're looking for a guy who is "Kind, generous, and shares some interests".  I'll bet they really know a lot more about what they want but they never say so.  You can spend over a month just finding out what they really want.  Why not just list the "Must haves" and "Must NOT haves" so you have the "true story" right at the start?

[SANDRO43]

2) Are you sure it was a rental plane and not a flying club plane? Flying club member share ownership of the plane, but the "owner's" name will be the name of the flying club. I'm trying to start a club right now where I'd effectively own 1/4 of the plane.

Here in Italy flying club members own nothing, we pay our annual membership dues and rent the club's planes to fly.

Did you mean flying club partners, as in your case?

[GoodOlBoy]

Hey Sandro.

Here 4 guys  (usually professionals doctors, lawyers, etc.) will get together and purchase a jet, helicopter or airplane and split all costs and maintenance 25% each, thus they each have 25% ownership in the aircraft.

People also do the same thing here in Miami with yachts and other large ticket "fun toy" items.


GOB

[Rina_G]

Part of the problem is that internet ads are too vague.  They're looking for a guy who is "Kind, generous, and shares some interests".  I'll bet they really know a lot more about what they want but they never say so.  You can spend over a month just finding out what they really want.  Why not just list the "Must haves" and "Must NOT haves" so you have the "true story" right at the start?

It seems to me you can think that it's very heavy to understand what woman wants cause you stil had no real meeting. Beleive me - I can understand this very well if you'll ask and wait reply.
I can say that a lot women know what they need badly very badly. and should time and brian for this.
When you'll begin to connect - you see whith some ladies you'll talk very easy and interest but with some - very hard and heavy.
for going to purpose you have to mane one - to make steps. So go and you'll see.

to ECOOCKS
Many thanks - interest and important things
I think agency servis for men has some plus but some minus too.
I got used to make everything myself and to get my own experience and to be free in my choise.

About Elena Models - in my opinion it was died site for me. I sent there about 300 letters and get above 50 standart refuse letters and 4-5 letters - thanks I found already.
and here I've known with interest that this site is alive.
    

[SANDRO43]

Hey Sandro.Here 4 guys  (usually professionals doctors, lawyers, etc.) will get together and purchase a jet, helicopter or airplane and split all costs and maintenance 25% each, thus they each have 25% ownership in the aircraft.People also do the same thing here in Miami with yachts and other large ticket "fun toy" items.

I understand that Rick. However, here if a chattel is registered to a club/association, not to a company/partnership, it belongs to that juridical/administrative entity, not to its managerial staff and much less to its members. I'd wager the same applies to US flying clubs.

[BC]

I understand that Rick. However, here if a chattel is registered to a club/association, not to a company/partnership, it belongs to that juridical/administrative entity, not to its managerial staff and much less to its members. I'd wager the same applies to US flying clubs.

Sorta like that 'My Home...' with a few enticing pictures when in reality the bank 'owns' 95%..  The mortgage payment usually not discussed.

[remiel6]

not sure on the airplanes, but with most mortgages you do own the house, you own it subject to your paying the mortgage. The mortgage allows them to take the house if the condition arises that you fail to pay on the mortgage. The mortgage on the house will continue to be there until it is paid off. I imagine with the flying clubs it might depend on what the exact legal structure is of the organization. For example if it was incorporated then I think the ownership would belong to the corporation. Never having been in a flying club, can't fly because I'm insulin dependant diabetic, I would not know how they are organized.

[SANDRO43]

 

Sorta like that 'My Home...' with a few enticing pictures when in reality the bank 'owns' 95%..  The mortgage payment usually not discussed.

not sure on the airplanes, but with most mortgages you do own the house, you own it subject to your paying the mortgage.

Your house analogy may be valid for real estate but not for airplanes, which are chattels (Chattel: an item of tangible movable or immovable property except real estate and things (as buildings) connected with real property - http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/chattel) much like cars are.

I repeat, at least here in Italy flying clubs are sports associations and, as such, are independent entities from the legal, fiscal, etc. point of view, who own the airplanes they rent out to their members or, at their discretion, to visitors with proper qualifications. Here is an abstract from the Statute of my former aero club:

L'Aero Club è Associazione Sportiva Dilettantistica e, in quanto tale, non può prevedere né effettuare, neanche in modo indiretto, distribuzione di utili, di avanzi di gestione, di fondi, di riserve e di capitale. Eventuali avanzi di gestione, provenienti da attività commerciali legalmente consentite e gestite obbligatoriamente in contabilità separata, devono essere reinvestiti nel potenziamento dell'attività statutaria.

L'Aero Club è soggetto di diritto privato e può anche assumere la forma della Società a responsabilità limitata, con Statuto che escluda espressamente il fine di lucro, inteso come divieto di distribuzione di utili, anche in modo indiretto.

http://www.aeroclubvarese.it/aeroclub/?t=Statuto&g_ID=5

The highlighted bits mean:
The Aero Club is an amateur sports association
The Aero Club is an entity of private law

So the original subject of this discussion could only be a flying club's member/visitor, since the plane he was claiming property of was registered to such an entity, as Docetae ferreted out. A single private owner would have it registered in his/her own name. I assume a pool of owners would have to incorporate some entity and have it registered in the latter's name, I don't think the FAA would accept to register a plane in the name of Tom, Dick and Harry .

[docetae]

Someone traveling to Kyyiv on Friday this week and staying until Wednesday will pay a minimum of US$1,070.  How much money should someone spend making trips?

Interesting.  Did it work?

1) Me (well, a really cheap one. It's for telling time, not for flaunting money).  I use the clock in the plane and a special aviation stopwatch for flying.
2) Are you sure it was a rental plane and not a flying club plane?  Flying club member share ownership of the plane, but the "owner's" name will be the name of the flying club.  I'm trying to start a club right now where I'd effectively own 1/4 of the plane.

Part of the problem is that internet ads are too vague.  They're looking for a guy who is "Kind, generous, and shares some interests".  I'll bet they really know a lot more about what they want but they never say so.  You can spend over a month just finding out what they really want.  Why not just list the "Must haves" and "Must NOT haves" so you have the "true story" right at the start?

Plane was belonging to a school... and i can tell you it was not only the watch which make me ask questions. I sent some questions trough my friend to test his knowledge about flying, and he knew nothing...

In us/canada, this is usual to create a corporation if you own a plane and use it for business trips.

In Europe , most of the structures are non-profit.

[Rina_G]

Hi guys!
I would like to ask again.
why AM want to find FSU women.
i want to know not about young men which want to build family and to have kids.
I mean - adults men who have family expeirense (divorsed or widower) about 50
What makes him to find, to risk, to spend time and money?

[Shadow]

Hi guys!
I would like to ask again.
why AM want to find FSU women.
i want to know not about young men which want to build family and to have kids.
I mean - adults men who have family expeirense (divorsed or widower) about 50
What makes him to find, to risk, to spend time and money?

Let me try to tell this from observations I made on these forums in time.
When men with family experience find them selves alone they want to get back the family life. Not onlythey miss being taken care of, but also they might want to show their ex that they can do better.
Local women who are not married and without problems are hard to find, and many women do not take care of them selves where looks are concerned.
There for the number of eligible partners for the man is limited.
He then somehow finds a website with Russian women. They are looking better, and according to the description are willing to build a family. Also they will forgive an age gap. Yes this is agency propaganda, but he does not know that.
Hopefully the man does some research and lands on a forum like this one, as otherwise he might just have his ego boosted by the many letters he gets from Anastasiaweb.

If lucky, the man finds someone he is interested to visit, and if very lucky he will find love.

However remember that for 99% of the men it will remain a dream they once had, only 1% will really make it happen.

[docetae]

I am not in my 50, but I was not looking to build family. In this case, there is plenty of local choice. I was totally atypic for the local dating scene: 34 years and 3 kids. No women here would want to know about me (everything was always smooth until I said I have 3 kids). It was inverse when I was traveling first times for business in Ukraine, women were saying "whaoo alone with 3 kids, how do you do, etc".  I wanted to be with a woman who has already experience about life, who has a child. Who knows that life is not a fairy tale... And I found her

[Rina_G]

Yes I agree - maybe great love and maybe great trouble.
and it's obligate - big problem and big money in the beginning.
another woman from another world.
If you buy picture - yes but you bring person - no language, no job, you don't know what is in your mind.
and it seems to me it's very risk investition.
so I can't understand - for what this risk?
what reasons?
just loneless?

[Rina_G]

thanks - you had real reasons to looking for woman.
You're more exept than a rule - yes?
And I'm really glad you found.
Happy end.
and a rest?

[Ade]

Let me try to tell this from observations I made on these forums in time.
When men with family experience find them selves alone they want to get back the family life. Not onlythey miss being taken care of, but also they might want to show their ex that they can do better.
Local women who are not married and without problems are hard to find, and many women do not take care of them selves where looks are concerned.
There for the number of eligible partners for the man is limited.
He then somehow finds a website with Russian women. They are looking better, and according to the description are willing to build a family. Also they will forgive an age gap. Yes this is agency propaganda, but he does not know that.
Hopefully the man does some research and lands on a forum like this one, as otherwise he might just have his ego boosted by the many letters he gets from Anastasiaweb.

If lucky, the man finds someone he is interested to visit, and if very lucky he will find love.

However remember that for 99% of the men it will remain a dream they once had, only 1% will really make it happen.

1%? You think that many? If I had to guess I'd put the figure closer to 0.1% of men that have dreams.

I think that at least a lot of men look to the FSU, Asia and Latin America (you know, those places where the economic disparity and the right passport may be "advantageous" for the WM) because they are under the impression that they do have certain advantages with these women and that those advantages make up for [fill in the blank here] that they lack to attract the western equivalent of these woman.

[SMS60]

Hi guys!
I would like to ask again.
why AM want to find FSU women.
i want to know not about young men which want to build family and to have kids.
I mean - adults men who have family expeirense (divorsed or widower) about 50
What makes him to find, to risk, to spend time and money?

About half are looking because they feel they deserve something better than they are experiencing in their home city or town. The other half are looking because they cannot recieve the time of day from women in their home city or town.

[GoodOlBoy]

just loneless?

Hello Rina_G.

GOB is in his early 50's.

And I would have to say for me, yes...loneliness was a contributing factor.

After my first wife passed away (20 good years of marriage) and my wonderful Daughter moved out of the home (graduated from college and went off to work), I experienced too many empty nights.

Although I will NEVER forgive some of my old neighbors/friends for the way they treated Marina when she came to the GoodOl' USA, I can thank them for helping me find her (in an indirect way).

Some time, after my wife's passing, my ex-neighbors and friends would constantly trying to "fix" me up with their single friends/colleagues.

Some of the dates I went on.......well let me just say pushed me into the direction of looking "elsewhere".

Just my experience, BUT....I have to say that America is full of to many angry, bitter, hostile and yes (large :evil:) women!

I once made the mistake of asking a bad date (AW) why she and other women are this way (angry/hostile) and she snorted back at me: "Men have made us this way!". 

Happy to say, I have NEVER seen this type of attitude (angry at men) in any RW I have met over the years.

Hang in there Rina_G, he (the one) is out there looking for you.   


GOB