American Men

[Oosik]

Nope.


If the US were more confident and its citizens less fearful there would be no pointless 'war on terror' and many fewer breast beating American men. Strangely, the women seem less prone to the American malaise than the women.
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Why do you say fear? Is that what you would have to feel in order to defend yourself? Until then you are happy to see madmen hurting others, as long as they don't come after you? That is selfish.
And it is interesting that you find you have more in common with AW than with AM. Kinda reinforces my opinion of you.

NHB please.

[Oosik]

have no proof, but I suspect that there would be greater respect for the US had they acted without attempts at false consensus building in their recent 'adventures'. They would certainly have been ina stronger position in the arab world had they done so, even if hated, they would have been respected, now there is hatred but not even respect; seen by many as the catspaw of Israel.

Yes. If we spent too much time trying to get people to agree with us, we would look weak and the Arabs would not respect us at all. Besides, the main objectors to our "adventures" were on the take, so trying to sway them would mean out bribing Saddam.
On the take, short list:
Cherac (sp)
Galloway
Putin
Annan
Former PM of Canada Cretien, and links to current PM, Martin.
China objected, don't know if they were on the take, but they are trying to cut into our influence per the standard Marxist playbook.

Regarding Israel, seems 60 years ago more than half of Europe was happy to load their jews on trains. Now, I wonder how many still would. From the anti-Israel bias, I suspect many.

[Admin]

have no proof, but I suspect that there would be greater respect for the US had they acted without attempts at false consensus building in their recent 'adventures'. They would certainly have been ina stronger position in the arab world had they done so, even if hated, they would have been respected, now there is hatred but not even respect; seen by many as the catspaw of Israel.

No. If we spent too much time trying to get people to agree with us, we would look weak and the Arabs would not respect us at all. Besides, the main objectors to our "adventures" were on the take, so trying to sway them would mean out bribing Saddam.
On the take, short list:
Cherac (sp)
Galloway
Putin
Annan
Former PM of Canada Cretien, and links to current PM, Martin.
China objected, don't know if they were on the take, but they are trying to cut into our influence per the standard Marxist playbook.

Regarding Israel, seems 60 years ago more than half of Europe was happy to load their jews on trains. Now, I wonder how many still would. From the anti-Israel bias, I suspect many.[/quote]

Oosik,

I have now heard quite enough of your political views unrelated to the theme of the board. And no, I will not move every post that drifts into this territory over to NHB.

Find a different board for expressing those.

- Dan

[andrewfi]

Oosik ~ A man can always find a woman who will 'respect' his bullying. Most real men would recognise the strong man of this type as a bully and give him the wide berth he deserves.

Russian women do not respect bullies and if you actually knew Russian men at all, other than as fantasised puppets playing out the black hat roles in your internal dramas the you would know that most Russian men are actually very gentlemanly but that there is a greater degree of acceptable male chauvinism here.

It is probably true to suggest that chauvinism (or enhanced male dominance) and courtliness go hand in hand (perhaps why the American gentleman is a somewhat old fashioned, if pleasant concept!). Russian women DO enjoy the good manners of Russian men, they often times do not enjoy the position of being a woman in their home society. There are many millions of Russian men who are loved by their women.

The sad truth is that many Americans have never learned the basics of good manners as practiced in much of the civilised world and so whilst Russian women enjoy the equality that is offered to them in American society they often find the boorishness of the men they meet to be hard to deal with. That is why some American men are incredibly popular with women from around here - they offer the best of all worlds, good behaviour and respect as an equal.

For men like you appear to be, this creates a problem. You seek a woman with whom you can be 'strong', yet you do not know the cultural rules that go with strength in these terms and thus appear to be a badly manner nye kulturny. If it were otherwise, you would not have even considered spending a night in the home of a person poor enough to need to rent out a bedroom to passing strangers. The knowledge of what you were thinking of would have turned you away from the idea before even mentioning it to us.

Worse still, the chances are that you will find a woman who will consent to allow you to mistreat her, by the standards of her new home culture. She will stand for it just long enough to maximise your pain and her profit and then leave you.

[Oosik]

Andrew, Being a srong man does not mean being a bully. Actually, it's the weak men that bully.

But maybe one has to be strong to realize that on a gut level.

I am done with this thread. Dan asked me to knock it off, so take it as a green light to keep bashing my country.

Everyone else can probably see in your posts the answer to the question posed in the starting post.

BTW The RW that I mentioned in the P-K thread,  to sum it up, she liked that I was "impudent" (she liked how I grabbed her popka and was a little dominant when we were kissing (my strong man routine), but she loved how polite and respectful I was. She thought I was way more cultured than RM that she had experience with. She said "RM don't deserve RW". She was floored that when I was with her, I wore a nicotine patch instead of smoking, out of respect for her preferences. She said no RM would ever do that. So it is possible to be cultured, respectful and strong at the same time. Think James Bond!!!

 She also commented that her last boyfriend was kind of a wuss, too timid or shy to sexually "go for it". It put him in the friend category permenently. I guess timid folks shudder to think of acting as I did, and rather than deal with their own wussification, they attack my studliness (LOL).

Enjoy being in touch with your feminine side. I'll enjoy being an unapologetic man. Off to Ukraine for me!!!!

[Bruno]

As former Canadian Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau once remarked on relations with the United States, "Living next to you is in some ways like sleeping with an elephant. No matter how friendly and even-tempered is the beast, if I can call it that, one is affected by every twitch and grunt."

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The quote up can be the real reason :cool:...

[Admin]

I am done with this thread. Dan asked me to knock it off, so take it as a green light to keep bashing my country.

No, there is no "green light" to bash anything - and I hope everyone sees that.

- Dan

[andrewfi]

Ooski ~ Just remember what you fantasise about, I live. So when you write like an unknowing arse, then I understand what you are writing and set in in the context of life as it is. We all have to make our mistakes. I trust that you will enjoy yours.

If you choose to fantasise that you are an English secret agent, then that is fine too! But as a cultured English gentleman, you also know that the kind of boorish behaviour that you ascribe to yourself is not something a gentleman would be doing much of and certainly not with a woman he saw as a romantic lover, perhaps with a hooker...

BTW ~ Everything you write does NOT suggest that you are a strong man, and I surely recognise that men who try to imitate strength without knowing the tools are usually entirely obvious in their approach and manner.

With your attitudes as displayed here, I recommend that you do some reflection (unlikely I know!) and reassess what it is you are seeking and why.

 

 

[BC]

Such posts remind me of when I admired a cabnet full of old WWII medals (in FSU)..

Asking their significance I received the reply "old history" and nothing more.. I did not pry.

Obviously the very old man was proud of his accomplishments but still maintained the humility to bear them with silent honor.  He earned my respect two times over without words.

I'm sorry Oosik but all I've seen from you so far is second hand blaaa blaaa blaaa..

Sigh....topic locked before this continues.

 

[2tallbill]

Sure, there are always those who don't like Americans, etc., but its mostly because the are jealous. 

Italians are often times a little bit short. I've met more than one with a short man complex
and guess what? They weren't as fond of me as most people are.

HOWEVER, most Italian men or men in general don't have a short man complex and they
like me just fine. Some American tourists give the term "Ugly American" a bad name.
Everyone is different. You will get different views from different folks. 

[ML]

I was once on a tour in Turkey which also contained a couple of Frenchmen back in 2006 or so.

One Frenchman told me: "We could excuse you American's for making the mistake of  electing George Jr. once . . . but we can't forgive you for doing it a second time."

I could hardly contain my laughter.
 
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But on the main topic here . . . I really don't know the pros and cons of AM vs EM with respect to which ones would be best for FSU women.

All other things equal, I can see how FSU women would prefer to find an EM because of the easier travel back and forth to spend time with their families.

But, on the other hand, I think the economic opportunities are better for the FSU women in USA.

[Trenchcoat]

I know some FSU woven definitely have a preference. Some might not bother nit replying to American or European men on the basis of where they are from. Possibly others it might be a weighing up situation, possibly an American man might be ok if he is very wealthy for example or handsome, etc.

The usual issue is European men are usually more closer so more convenient. American men are further away but are usually more wealthy.

I can see why some FSW might be drawn to American men if they are wealthy/very wealthy. The FSW can move straight into what is for her usually a massive lifestyle upgrade right away. I'm not saying that they are all choosing strictly on that basis but if the woman isn't fussed about the distance then why not fish around for a guy they like in probably the most wealthiest market in the world.

Downside of the US guy of course is if he goes over the top in showing his wealth and attracts women that are attracted just to his wealth and not to him.

[2tallbill]

but if the woman isn't fussed about the distance then why not fish around for a guy they like in probably the most wealthiest market in the world.

There are also over 150 million American men. Not all are single (about 50 million). 
that's a lot of options.

[ML]

There are also over 150 million American men. Not all are single (about 50 million). 
that's a lot of options.

Yes, but a similar number of men in western Europe aggregated.

[2tallbill]

Yes, but a similar number of men in western Europe aggregated.

Yes, but who makes most of the movies that they might see?