Operation White Panther

[krimster2]

egoism is ignorance
humility is wisdom n'est-ce pas

sorry, I don't really speak 'the King's English'
speakin in weird patterns is always a problem I've had to deal with

especially now, cuz I speak swamp English
very similar to the patois dialect spoken in Baton Rouge, Louisana
which is like Quebec Quebecois
mitt der Englander und frantslander

I pretend I ist ein Englander
pip pip and all that WOT, mustn't grumble...carry on then

I is a chameleon, wot knows how to match the human scenery around me
by changing what color I am

life...is all about suffering
my advice is for ya to drink water, so ya stay hydrated while you suffer

there are TWO very important, UNWRITTEN RULES you all don't know about

#1............................................................................
#2............................................................................

so I hope this is clarifying

[Patagonie]

So the plan is finally working.
I dropped today a cocky funny very sweet message about me asking her for help because I know a girl in her city and want to deliver flowers but don't her address and family name. Guess what the description fits her. She was very pleased.
     
She answered but what interest us, to make it short, is that she don't want to display an address and propose me to send the money instead.
That's not about the money, that about the fact that she has hided her job all time and now her address.
   
But as she made a move about the travel, what she don't know is that I need an address to give to the city hall.   
   
Now private invitation for Schengen visa works by sending FIRST multiple documents to the city hall. You have to prove that you have a place good enough and the resources to welcome someone and it comes with the passport of the guest and his address.The city hall could come to check your place to see if it's big enough and clean. You could refuse to let them in but that will be a bad idea of course.     
So basically no address and I cannot even complete the first step of the visa.     
   
Girls always think that they are smarter than men because they THINK  they hold the upper hand of the stick just because you are a man. It's not the first time I came to this observation.
         
So let see what happens next because now I will explain to her the list of documents the city hall needs. And that includes the copy of her passport, dates of the travel and her address.
She will make her own conclusions: no address no flowers, no address no travel

[krimster2]

if I were Inspector Poirot, I would be VERY skeptical of this suspect's motive
is it to conceal "her world" from you
or to conceal YOU from her world

regardless of the truth, such behavior is ALWAYS a "red flag"

mon ami, have you considered...
that any Russian woman, who uses her passport for foreign travel, already knows the european visa requiremnets and process
this was an anonymous telefon tip from "crime stoppers"
that Pat is being lied to
unfortunately, could not trace the call, before they hung up

[Patagonie]

So 
The corridor suddenly got some light. Don't know exactly if I have found the switch   
 
TOK TOK
   
we have an address     
we have a passport        
Plus a bonus     
ten minutes of communication (she called me first, and few minutes later calling her back because I was not available)     
To whom belongs this address, not on her name (100% sure about this). That's the bug. But don't know how it derails the program.

[ML]

To whom belongs this address, not on her name (100% sure about this).

Oh no; she gave you my address !!!

[Patagonie]

Scissors effect of the plan? flowers+travel 
Wolves get out of the forest, one day or another.

[Patagonie]

Oh no; she gave you my address !!!

 
I thought that was wifey's address ML, I am quite disappointed now

[krimster2]

quick...let me put on my wehrmacht helmet and glasses
and part the reeds...
and exclaim..."Very Interesting...."

well willy is dancing now, isn't he

[Patagonie]

quick...let me put on my wehrmacht helmet and glasses
and part the reeds...
and exclaim..."Very Interesting...."

well willy is dancing now, isn't he

Willy stays quiet in his compartment, because he is not order to make a move. 
And NOTHING is done
There is a long road until the visa

[Patagonie]

Now I am using the sensual, emotional, musical, crooner, message. The message that says I am in the conspiracy, let me help you 88888to get invisible from your enemies. (type of language that normally Krim should receive crystal clear, just in case she
is one of your cousine, but for the moment she looks like belonging to your family, am I wrong Krim?  )     
We will see the result tomorrow.
     
Being frontal to understand her little (dirty?) secret-s will have no result.
I need to go sweet, cute, sexy, accomplice.
Cannot explain in details everything because I would have to translate my vocal messages from Russian to Englishand it will take too long.   

[Patagonie]

So newbies, or guys who have only very few trips under their belts. I speak not about this exceptional case described since page 68 but in general.
     
If you meet a lady few hours, and if she don't let you come in the ring of her intimacy.
And you would like her to travel to you. 
In your country or in third country. 
   
It's important to keep a daily communication, something consistent but not too much. 
Start to exchange personal information, especially about your history. 
She need to have a clear picture that you are single for example   
Everything you have said during the meeting should come back with some proofs if possible 
Give her details about where she will sleep, photos of the house, apartment.     
Sell her a program of what she will enjoy in the country. 
Include tons of photos and of videos. If you invite her to stay two weeks in the deep forest with nothing else than moving from her room to your, it's not gonna to work.
One of the biggest motivation of SSR women is to discover a new country.
Give her the necessary information about your identity, address and maybe more, like photos of your children.   
Show some stuff about your daily life. 
Tell her everything about what you will pay including to give her some money if she is missing some days of work. So she knows exactly what to expect. If she is very nice she will let you know if she wants to pay something.Generally speaking, more interest she has in you and more prone she is to take responsibility for some stuff.
More intimate you are and more chances it could happen also.
   
I remind to anyone that with FSU women, you are all time supposed to pay all, and in case you invite her somewhere it includes all the transport, all the daily life. But buying her an Iphone, or some clothes or expansive gifts is not on your program.

[ML]

I remind to anyone that with FSU women, you are all time supposed to pay all, and in case you invite her somewhere it includes all the transport, all the daily life.

Well OK, but it's alright to expect her to do something . . . like paint your house, operate a backhoe to put in septic systems, or drive a combine to bring in the wheat crop, etc.

To be more serious . . . keep in mind FSU gals (and guys) will never say thank you to western folks even as they constantly say spacibo to people on the street back home.

[Patagonie]

The flowers are being sent soon, not the color I wanted  but I don't have a choice as I ordered at the last moment, not my fault.   
I start to have a better picture of what happens behind the screen considering the information I got and I feel really better. Don't want to give too much detail, but look like she is in a middle of a divorce or at the end of a divorce and consider herself as free, and free to go. And she seems pissed of her husband.
         
Knowing her strong opposition each time I have asked too much personal details. It makes no sense to come back after this.     
Now better to aim for the third stage. 
And this stage will prove her involvement in the process. I have first to do the work, so I have prepared all the documents for the private invitation and I think I will have an appointment next week with my city hall. 
Then when the invitation letter will be sent to her so we could start the visa process part 90 days before the departure. So normally we will be on time. 
   
These visa process is very boring but for any man and woman making a move towards a relationship it is cementing the relationship because both of you have to the work and regularly communicate.
The woman is now focusing on you. When you on more something more serious, like K1 visa or Schengen visa close to the K1, she knows that you are exclusively focusing on her. 
Both partners have more trust in a future. 
       
Stage three is to meet and start something. Simply enjoy two weeks, I hope, of vacation time together and exploring our connection. 
I am very confident about the face face. I play the party at home you need to remember it.   
Krim I will be this Latin lover in action, of the French Touch seduction, a secret fraternity that few women are used to. The art of love. Close the book Krim, that's boring for you now.

[krimster2]

hey...I read the Kama Sutra....
erotica ain't love...but I love erotica

if she's STILL married...do not go to Russia to meet her
her "Moosh" could put a cap in your derriere, and you'd be charged for bleeding on Russian soil

yur existence could hurt her in court, could be used against her
the "Russian way" is to conceal and hide bad things instead of having an honest frank discussion

which will be more exciting for you
the anticipation you felt on Christmas eve, when you were un petite garcon
or the night before her arrival?
try and get some sleep, you'll need it

[Patagonie]

hey...I read the Kama Sutra....
erotica ain't love...but I love erotica

if she's STILL married...do not go to Russia to meet her
her "Moosh" could put a cap in your derriere, and you'd be charged for bleeding on Russian soil

yur existence could hurt her in court, could be used against her
the "Russian way" is to conceal and hide bad things instead of having an honest frank discussion

which will be more exciting for you
the anticipation you felt on Christmas eve, when you were un petite garcon
or the night before her arrival?
try and get some sleep, you'll need it

"she's STILL married...do not go to Russia to meet her"her "Moosh" could put a cap in your derriere, and you'd be charged for bleeding on Russian soil"     
Of course       
"yur existence could hurt her in court, could be used against her"     
Of course         
                   
 Absolutely agree about this, I have experience about this.    And she is aware of this, so much that the first reason she goes  "the "Russian way" is to conceal and hide bad things instead of having an honest frank discussion"     
       
You are ABSOLUTELY right. I tried to tell her diplomatically, explain me a little bit so I didn't cross red limits because problems for you will be problems for us. NO ANSWER. So you are right.   
   
This is where she is doing this the wrong way, because if she had met a complete idiot, it could send her to the wall.         
Lets imagine, knowing where her kids go (no a rocket science considering there is only one Russian school) a guy follow her to her job, and go confrontational at her desk??? Making a scandal. 
 
Fortunately for her I am not an idiot. 
   
Very good post Krim!

[ML]

What ages are her 3 children.

You want to take on the financial responsibilitiy of those 3 children . . . forever !!  ?

[Patagonie]

What ages are her 3 children.

You want to take on the financial responsibilitiy of those 3 children . . . forever !!  ?

One is almost gone, the two others are under the legal responsibility of their parents. Relationship with the father are good she said. 
 
Financial responsibility belongs to the parents and I have never said that I will take financial responsibility of them. 
   
There are of course some stuff to figure out in the future about this.
The first one is, figuring out how she managed to get out of the marriage and with what. Because Russian men have a high tendency to make twisted business that don't let any margin for legal sharing, you know what I mean.
I met a girl two years ago that got out with (She probably didn't tell me all) but at least one floor of a recently built building in the almost center of the capital of her country. She was making several thousands dollars a month in airBNB rental. It ended favorably for her.   
Now at this moment I have no clue.   
   
And I don't care ML.   
And the reason is, I am repeating this, post after post, since page 68 is that I am NOT in the usual box. 
I have quit this road.   
I go day by day and we will see what next, next is stage 3, her travel in my country. And that all I care. 
   
In the future I will have more resources, I will be able to buy another home abroad and have significantly more income. So we will see, I already have a daughter to help somehow. She knows it. 
She knows who I am, what I did before, I hided nothing. So If she was focusing on high earning guys, she would have discarded me from the first rendezvous because I played ALL crystal clear.
       
You don't end in the coffin at the end with your cars, money and properties. I would hate the state to get it. So maybe the best is to make future of young people better, why not? 

[Patagonie]

hey...I read the Kama Sutra....
erotica ain't love...but I love erotica

if she's STILL married...do not go to Russia to meet her
her "Moosh" could put a cap in your derriere, and you'd be charged for bleeding on Russian soil

yur existence could hurt her in court, could be used against her
the "Russian way" is to conceal and hide bad things instead of having an honest frank discussion

which will be more exciting for you
the anticipation you felt on Christmas eve, when you were un petite garcon
or the night before her arrival?
try and get some sleep, you'll need it

     
So for example today I told her the flowers shop will call you for the delivery, so you will be at ease to choose if you go to the shop to retrieve the flowers or to make the delivery at your place.       
Choose what is convenient for you.   She was delighted. 

[Patagonie]

So today I got the information from the flowers shop that the flowers were delivered at her home. 
   
That looks not so bad.

[Trenchcoat]

So today I got the information from the flowers shop that the flowers were delivered at her home. 
   
That looks not so bad.

Would it not be better to have the 'surprise' of flowers suddenly turning up out of the blue even if just left on her doorstep and her finding them there?

Unless you were hoping to save on the delivery cost

Myself unless it's a real dodgy area I would prefer to chance it that the flowers would be ok on her doorstep or depending on the delivery service give her 15 minutes or whatever notice beforehand that a delivery of something is about to arrive for her.

[Patagonie]

Would it not be better to have the 'surprise' of flowers suddenly turning up out of the blue even if just left on her doorstep and her finding them there?

Unless you were hoping to save on the delivery cost

Myself unless it's a real dodgy area I would prefer to chance it that the flowers would be ok on her doorstep or depending on the delivery service give her 15 minutes or whatever notice beforehand that a delivery of something is about to arrive for her.

 
Trench,
You come here, you read the last post, but you have skipped the last ones of the story,
so your comment totally comes out of the blue, 
and is totally out of the context and inappropriate to the situation
(because you simply didn't read what the situation is).   
So take time to read the previous posts to figure out why things have been done like I did.
Thank

[Trenchcoat]

 
Trench,
You come here, you read the last post, but you have skipped the last ones of the story,
so your comment totally comes out of the blue, 
and is totally out of the context and inappropriate to the situation
(because you simply didn't read what the situation is).   
So take time to read the previous posts to figure out why things have been done like I did.
Thank

In fairness on that one you are right, apologies there. Things just get a bit busy in my life nowadays here & there. Hope all is going well.

[Patagonie]

Situation is stabilizing with the Russian lady of Thai 
Communication is far far better, it starts to fit the standard communication men are normally having with a FSU lady.
 
The ongoing visa is gonna to force us to exchange a lot of information and involve us in the relationship.
When it's time to make the paper work you have a better idea of which level of involvement both partners have. 
 

[Patagonie]

In fairness on that one you are right, apologies there. Things just get a bit busy in my life nowadays here & there. Hope all is going well.

Thank Trench

[Patagonie]

I am now working on the visa and I have gone through the whole course of visas requirements in 2012-2103   
so I am not a new kid on the block.   
But the rodeo today if tougher than before because there almost no flight between Schengen Europe and Russia.
And she don't speak ANYthing else except Russian. 
So multiple document translations should be done in Thaî and Russian. Interview needs a Russian translator and so on.
Multiple documents including my private invitation. 
 
That's HUGE.
 
But thank God I have the time.