Operation White Panther

[Patagonie]

I don't have a husband at the moment.
   
Maybe you are my destiny.
   
 First time of my life, 15 years with FSU women, I heard this.
   
 I kept the pressure. Husband no, ok, but boyfriend there is one. Acts mean more the words.
   
 She continued: and if there only you. I was surprised, and decided to retrieve a reformulation by asking: If only me? Is this what you really wrote? 
     
She answered: yes only you.

[Patagonie]

THEN I STILL KEPT THE PRESSURE ON HER                 
               
 Telling her:         
I came to the conclusion that you are in a relationship with a man, probably you work with him.
The fact that don't want to meet me means that this man is very important.
This story of you searching a new relationship is probably just a phantasm.                 
                         
 The nut started to really open this time:                                   
I really want to see you, I praise you, True. Believe me             
I don't have any men. Only you in my head.               
We have some distance bewteen us (yes one hour an half on motorbike)           
Do you plan to come back to me again? When?

[Patagonie]

We can observe that before and after the "friend" came things changed drastically.
She was simply less and less available after "friend came and went". 
The "friend" left not after two weeks but in a really shorter time.   
And her ex husband is also coming back and forth between her place and Russia.

[Patagonie]

So to make it short we were aiming for the second meeting but a last fence needed to be climbed.         
And I think the reason of all this is that since "friend" came in and out, she works like crazy.
And proposing her to pay for a nanny so children are under custody, us moving to the restaurant,unblocked the situation.SIMPLY.

[krimster2]

pat
I am an American tourist in France,
I was walking down the Boulevard of Broken Dreams
and I saw you laying on the sidewalk
you're a love addict and you're havin a bad trip man

i'll give you the bottled water from my backpack and 50 euros for lunch (Paris is freakin EXPENSIVE)
now get up, and keep fighting, the Bastille is over there!!!!

[Patagonie]

There are interesting to retrieve here.
I don't have the truth and information (if things go forward) will come later.
But what is Cornelian here is that she is at this moment she is on high economical pressure, even working during her resting time. That means probably 54 hours a week. She wokes up at 5:00 and manages 2 kids on her own. That's crazy.

So I come to the point for the ones who would like to play the white knight.   
An honest woman will never ask you any money before a real relationship.           
If you press her too much and if she starts to reveal all the problems she has, somewhere at this moment, you are expected to help.       
And if goes south, everyone will tell you, Oh you know you have been scammed.
         
On another hand, like this case,you have to find out yourself the solution to unblock the solution because she feels so ashamed to work and to be on high pressure (she had a prestigious job before in Russia) that she will prefer to die rather than to ask.
That the job of the man to guess and propose. 

[Patagonie]

yes, you're right about the language difficulty
pay attention to the "non-verbal" communication, impossible to lie

you broke her game by being confrontational
you're no longer obedient to her demands, instead you have demands of yur own
game over man!!!!

kong flight back to pair-ree!
I always get lost in D'Gaulle airport going from one part to the other, worst airport for me

whenever you fall off a horse, get back up and ride
good possibility the war's gonna be over soon
and you, should start making yur plan,
can you imagine bein in Paris on VE-Day, celebrating with super models
Ukraine, sometime this year, is the closest yur gonna get

I hope you learn from what just happened to you
I DID, when it happened to me, multiple times
and it's why I CHANGED

and no longer pursued "hard to get" women
and instead only pursued the women who came to me
then, all I had to do, was increase my visibility, and pick and choose what I want
which was generally the women I had fun with
so if I were you, just focus on having fun with Ukrainian women
and then let "nature take it's course"

you're not DOING any work this way, and no emotional turmoil
it's like sailing, you use the wind and the water to take ya where ya wanna go without paddling, you just steer

but...
waitaminute!

you're French, you are supposed to be tellin US colonials about how romance works?
it sounds to me, like "romance" i.e how to "woo" a fair maiden, really doesn't work at all
I am a non-romantic - i'm motivated purely by pragmatism and not what I consider to be romantic nonsense
and I look for someone who is similar, but above all, someone I can have fun with
just my good furtune and random coiincidence, that the person I had the most fun with, looks like Elizabeth Hurley and is as tall as Gal Godot and is a Sex Goddess
so I ain't complainin

 
I don't really want to score. 
But you're right, I think Ukraine will open soon, and that should be the place to go.   
I think that it's a place I could land on next summer. 
Who knows?     

[Patagonie]

So about this story, for the moment: 
                                       
Her interest was or is arguable and or fluctuating.         
But no FSU women will keep you like this if she has no interest in you at all (in the West that's different).
               
No woman who lives happily with a man would have a profile on a dating application.       
If she has one, it's because she wants to have some sexual funny time and or she is trying to find another one   

[krimster2]

there SHOULD be another gold rush in Ukraine, when this gets sorted out
I know Putin wants it done by May 9, to sell this as a VICTORY on VICTORY DAY

but now the MOB problems will be on "this end"
western austerity economy will mean more men will stay home now compared to the past
Elon's DOGE is gonna fire hundreds of thousands of highly paid govenment workers
congress has cut hundreds of billions from health care spending and education and welfare, that will showup in massive job losses and unemployment numbers
which when combined with tarriffs will ripple throughtout the economy where the TOTAL job losses will be in the high hundreds of thousands to millions

after this, very few younger middle-aged middle-income men will be going to Ukraine
only rich geezers
in search of buxom village girls with "big naturals"
so they can watch "the ripple hit the nipple" which is an amazing thing to see
and wipe the drool off their chin

PS
of course you wanna "score"
you wanna score a beautful creature to look upon
and one who "mothers" you as well and feeds ya and takes care of ya

to get that, you need to be like electricity
and follow the path of least resistance, instead of the most

start with NLP and respond to the women who respond to your body language, etc
step #1 is making eye contact, smiling, and get her to return the smile...then step 2...

PS
pardon moi,  ou et le figue de New-tons, s'il vous plait?
WTF? NO BLOODY FIG NEWTONS! HMMMMPH!!! but ya got 70 different kinds of cheese here!!!!
the Gauls have a lot of GALL!!!!
especially when it comes to cookies, or lack thereof
not really a very cookie friendly territory

whenever I go to Versailles, I'm always afraid I'm gonna break something

[Patagonie]

So we go to the second meeting.
It was D-2 before my last day.
 
I decided to not be overdressed but keep some minimal elegance.
She was wearing a very little dress and we choose a table inside.This place was fully packed with Russian people.
 
That was not the most cosy place I would have chosen in the most ideal date but she hasn't been trained for the game. I says this because she chooses the restaurant as she is living here, and I was ok with this.
   
So you do remember that before the meeting I had sent to her this, thank you ML for the translation             
Our second meeting: When you arrive I will gently lift you in my arms to celebrate your arrival           
Then, across the table, our hands will join and our gazes, intense, will seek each other as if 10,000 years had passed. I will then ask you to come close to me.
You will be leaning against me, I will say sweet words to you, in the language of love, my mouth pressed against your golden hair. 
You will feel the beat of my heart under your fingers and you will want us to become one, as if we were never born.
I'll kiss your wet lips dry and you'll hold me like you want me forever.       
   
She sat and and SHE asks me to come close to her. She asks me to seat beside her.
That's a damned huge IOI. 
She wanted to drink wine and me choosing it and explaining about wines. So I ended buying a bottle and we ordered some food.   
After 40 minutes she could resist yawning. She is exhausted and explained me her crazy  schedule.   
So basically she was turning more and more towards me in her seat. I was blocked and could really do the same but did my best.   
I kissed her in her hair twice and let my hand on her shoulder or on her neck a long time. But I understood that was a little too fast for her to bring more "intimacy". 
It was too early for a kiss or to really hold her hand. But as the time was passing by she was more and more leaning towards me, almost falling against me at the end.
She is very funny and positive and we had great time drinking wine.
She restarted the topic of coming to France that I briefly launched during the first meeting.
And I couldn't complain, she was doing the stuff, projecting herself in this travel. Asking me to make a program.
     
I came with her to her car. I tried to hold her hand but if was in front of a lot of people and didn't feel comfortable this time, and she switched by holding my arm. Which is anyways a very good sign, because FSU women who like you do this exactly.
       
My gosh, meetings are so easy with her, contrary to the communication.
Give me 10 more and we are already married                     
                                                                   
She fought in her bed until I sent her a SMS telling I was back in my city and right after probably fells asleep.
 
--> the reason number one why I unblock this meeting is because I proposed to pay for the nanny so she can be free to go for a diner. If I had propose this, I would haven't see her. And if I had proposed this earlier, I maybe would had one or three meetings more.   
And if I had proposed to replace her daily salary, I could had had more time with her. That what I understand now.

[Patagonie]

So to make it short the next bridge is the third appointment. But now I am away of 12000 kilometers. 
           
So Even if the communication I am receiving is stretched and mainly with smileys
I am sticking to the plan. 
And the plan is to bring some trust, reassure her, build an incredible program of visits, overcome any questions that can make her stressed about this travel.   
That's the plan and I am actually deploying it, step by step. 
Normally one message per day, sometimes with few photos, or it could be a vocal. 
This should end in one week basically.
           
At the end of the month women's day will come and so I will send her some flowers, for this she needs to give me an address and a name.   
It could bring some interesting information. And we will see if she is complying with this request. 
                             
Of course I will ask her a copy of her passport and when she she will be free in the summer. 
At this moment we will have a better idea of how fast she wants to go forward. 
           
I have no reason to continue with her if she puts NO efforts in this travel, when her time will come to bring some answers and some documents. 
Time will show, I suppose two weeks or three will be enough to know.
     
But considering the number of FSU women who dreams to visit France, all costs paid, with someone she likes, and whom she could have a future. A crazy program that NO travel agency can propose. Really it stands some chances.

[2tallbill]

So we go to the second meeting.
It was D-2 before my last day.   

Is our famous Frenchman in the FSU wooing a girl or am
I reading this incorrectly?

[krimster2]

so now that you're half a world away, she changes from cold to hot
and here you are hanging on every detail like a lovesick puppy

you analyze each emoji, to try and wring as much HOPE from it that ya can

go and look at yourself in the mirror
does this make you look happy?

NON!

then why the hell are you doing it?
this is like some kinda romantic Maginot line, it's not gonna work like you think it's gonna work, if it was 1940, you'd be speakin German by now
ja wohl! ich bin eine ummmm Berliner, ja Berliner, which is lovely this time of year...oh phuque, you got me, I'm really a British Secret agent


Romanticism doesn't work, unless you're a flower or candy salesman...or a jeweler...
then it's yur "bread and butter"
just like you're "bread and butter" for Ms Russia

you can put women into "types"
and there are certain types of women that are really NOT suitable for having a relationship with
you just discovered one kind

you are livin in yur own Bastille
liberate yurself
free yur mind, and the rest of you will folow

Jardain les filles Du Ukraine, excuse moi my french patois, in Baton Rouge Louisiana this is how people there speak, French/English Patois
which I picked up immediately, started copying and adding my own French Vocavulary to it
Allez, Allez, Chic Alors!
Cherchez la femme en Ukraine, pas la Thaďland
c'est bon numeric, beaucoup et pas un

what's weird is they talk fast in French, but slow in English
what...flavor...of...ass...cream...ya'll...want

contrasting language in Brooklyn vrs Baton Rouge, what a range of spoken English, then over to the UK and Jaflaican, then 'strine
all cuz a bunch of saxons crossed the north sea in little boats 1,500 years ago

the problem you French have, is you have a French Academy of Language that controls it, unlike English
English ends up being more dynamic, while French is controlled and policed to remain "pure"

[Patagonie]

Is our famous Frenchman in the FSU wooing a girl or am
I reading this incorrectly?

 
Yep Bill

[Patagonie]

so now that you're half a world away, she changes from cold to hot
and here you are hanging on every detail like a lovesick puppy

you analyze each emoji, to try and wring as much HOPE from it that ya can

go and look at yourself in the mirror
does this make you look happy?

NON!

then why the hell are you doing it?
this is like some kinda romantic Maginot line, it's not gonna work like you think it's gonna work, if it was 1940, you'd be speakin German by now
ja wohl! ich bin eine ummmm Berliner, ja Berliner, which is lovely this time of year...oh phuque, you got me, I'm really a British Secret agent


Romanticism doesn't work, unless you're a flower or candy salesman...or a jeweler...
then it's yur "bread and butter"
just like you're "bread and butter" for Ms Russia

you can put women into "types"
and there are certain types of women that are really NOT suitable for having a relationship with
you just discovered one kind

you are livin in yur own Bastille
liberate yurself
free yur mind, and the rest of you will folow

Jardain les filles Du Ukraine, excuse moi my french patois, in Baton Rouge Louisiana this is how people there speak, French/English Patois
which I picked up immediately, started copying and adding my own French Vocavulary to it
Allez, Allez, Chic Alors!
Cherchez la femme en Ukraine, pas la Thaďland
c'est bon numeric, beaucoup et pas un

what's weird is they talk fast in French, but slow in English
what...flavor...of...ass...cream...ya'll...want

contrasting language in Brooklyn vrs Baton Rouge, what a range of spoken English, then over to the UK and Jaflaican, then 'strine
all cuz a bunch of saxons crossed the north sea in little boats 1,500 years ago

the problem you French have, is you have a French Academy of Language that controls it, unlike English
English ends up being more dynamic, while French is controlled and policed to remain "pure"

                         
The story of emoji makes me angry.
This is a problem that should be solved. And I will take action.
But for girls today, it's part of their written language. The problem is that there is no language and no communication and so no relationship when emoji are the solely element of the language of at least one of the two writers.
So to tell you the truth, I am gonna soon to ask to her to make effort writing real sentences in a few days.     
And if she don't understand.I will also use emoji ONLY in two weeks. One or two per day. 
That's named a psychological game in transactional analysis. I am good playing this type of stupid game.   
And as a result this story will hit the wall and die.   Her responsibility to adapt if she want to keep me. 
                 
You are saying that there are certain type of women not suitable for a relationship but she spent all her life with the father of her children and I guess until now. In absolute I do agree, it doesn't mean that she is suited for LTR. That could be two different things, some men can "lift" a woman all their life and this woman in fact cannot live without men. 
 
The kinda romantic stuff 99% of time don't work with women in the real life. But for one time, it has some real impact on her. Don't know why. So I also play this card, and she says "you are so cute".

[ML]

Pat, I devised a 4 sentence poem that allowed me to put any gal's name in it.

If the gal wasn't warming up during our first  meal, I would get out a small piece of paper and write this poem very slowly . . . looking up and pausing between each sentence to give the impression of thinking deeply about the words to use.

This never failed me and frequently led to an invitation to her home after the meal.

[Patagonie]

Pat, I devised a 4 sentence poem that allowed me to put any gal's name in it.

If the gal wasn't warming up during our first  meal, I would get out a small piece of paper and write this poem very slowly . . . looking up and pausing between each sentence to give the impression of thinking deeply about the words to use.

This never failed me and frequently led to an invitation to her home after the meal.

     
            

Definitively, this type of stuff has a place in the game, in the heart of women.
                     
One female friend of mine read this:               
Our second meeting: When you arrive I will gently lift you in my arms to celebrate your arrival           
Then, across the table, our hands will join and our gazes, intense, will seek each other as if 10,000 years had passed. I will then ask you to come close to me.   
You will be leaning against me, I will say sweet words to you, in the language of love, my mouth pressed against your golden hair.     You will feel the beat of my heart under your fingers and you will want us to become one, as if we were never born.   I'll kiss your wet lips dry and you'll hold me like you want me forever.       
                           
Her reaction? she should have her pantie all wet after reading it. That's clear
     
Women's day will give me to drop another anchor because? very important, it's not only about the flowers, it's also about the message, and here many men miss it. That's the opportunity to write another torrid or cocky and funny stuff. Do whatever you want. 

[krimster2]

a POEM?
what I do:
I completely disrobe, and manipulate my penis and scrotum into various shapes, for example, "a Pelican in Flight"
and call it "Penis Puppet Theater", and then I do the ventriliquist part, and "he" does impersonatins of famous people
HE gets laid, I just get foreplay, but hey, we're a TEAM like Abbot and Costello, we're "Krimster and Willy" ehhh, what's up?
so I suppose, instead of literature, I choose Comedic Theater

her "issues" make her undateable, and I don't know their origin or details, and in the big picture, doesn't matter
when ya go gold mining, and ya pan a spot in the river all day long, and no gold comes out, you move to a new spot, cuz their ain't NO GOLD there

why are you making yourself miserable instead of happy?
don't let her transfer "her issues" to you, be free from them

women playing hard to get, have no place in yur world
why would you indulge her and be playing "her game" when you need to be playing yur own game, n'est pas?

pourquoi? cuz yur thinkin with yur willy and not yur head, and Willy's are dumb MFers and I know yur a smart man
so you need to let yur mind assert control over Monsieur Willy
and get yurself out of this mess, and resolve not to do it again

now go, and sin no more

"he ain't heavy father, he's my brother..."

it's always a human problem, of being in a futile struggle, but not realizing it's futile, so you don't walk away when you should
even if you get past this hurdle with her, what of the next one, why do you think it'll be ANY DIFFERENT?

there are LOTS of incompatible women out there and there are also LOTS of compatible women
you need to classify women this way, and if they ain't comaptible, then you continue searching until you strike gold
why waste time doing anything else

a miserable journey is not the destination you want
it means "something's wrong" with what/how you're doing things
so you need to re-think it
not just by over-analysis of her emojis, but think about if you REALLY want to play her game
and think about yur own game, and how it got you into this mess

being "stuck" on her, and not seeing the "big picture" is NOT gonna work out in yur favor
face the reality, mon ami
you went fishing, and now you're the one with a hook in his mouth
and you ain't goin ANYWHERE until you pull that hook out

[2tallbill]

Yep Bill

I asked an either or question, but it appears you are meeting a girl.
Is this the only girl you are meeting? I would advise meeting a few
other girls to give you some perspective. A new girl might be more
interested in you.

I always advise making sure a girl wants you as much or more than
you want her. 

I know how hard it is to write reports in the wild in real time, so I will
wait to read your next installment rather than try to debate your tactics.

[Trenchcoat]

If she's on a dating site still and spending time on there rather than replying to you I don't see that as a good sign.

To me it sounds like she is not that happy with accepting you and is seeing what else is out there. Of course it could well be a case of her not finding anything else out there that satisfies her. However, her trawling around for men might just be what she does, a learned behaviour over time and probably why she is still single at her age.

[Patagonie]

If she's on a dating site still and spending time on there rather than replying to you I don't see that as a good sign.
           
To me it sounds like she is not that happy with accepting you and is seeing what else is out there. Of course it could well be a case of her not finding anything else out there that satisfies her. However, her trawling around for men might just be what she does, a learned behaviour over time and probably why she is still single at her age.

               
Being on a dating site doesn't mean that you are active on the site.   
The dating sites do whatever they can to prevent you to delete your profile because they want to keep the largest number of users they can for commercial reasons.   
So you could hide your profile, but unfortunately, depending on the site, the ones you have liked can still see you.   
So there are different configurations, but most of time you are still being seen by the ones you have liked.   
           
Her profile is not updated since last time I have noticed, and I have explained with force details why she did it.   
 
"her trawling around for men might just be what she does, a learned behaviour over time and probably why she is still single at her age." 
Trench, you show that you have dropped this comment not reading all my posts. Still single at her age, are you kidding me? she was with the same man for, at least, I would say 22 years. Some details that I don't want to explain here, let me think that she is single for less than few months.

[krimster2]

only the people who know how to play the game, can win.
The rest lose.

let defeat be yur teacher
up yur game, or change to a different one
you still gotta play to win, mon ami

you can't rely on yur good looks anymore
you have to rely on yur wisdom and knowledge instead
which doesn't work if yur stuck in this emotional turmoil, cuz reason goes out the window

above all
to thine own self see the truth and be the truth and don't believe in false things and "day dreams"

[Patagonie]

only the people who know how to play the game, can win.
The rest lose.

let defeat be yur teacher
up yur game, or change to a different one
you still gotta play to win, mon ami

you can't rely on yur good looks anymore
you have to rely on yur wisdom and knowledge instead
which doesn't work if yur stuck in this emotional turmoil, cuz reason goes out the window

above all
to thine own self see the truth and be the truth and don't believe in false things and "day dreams"

       
Don't worry Krim. 
We have a proverb here saying "away from the eyes, away from the heart". 
So things come back to control. I am not going to "dance" anymore emotionally. 
Now there is a plan. And mathematically the next step is the third meeting. 
There are some requirement for her to come. If she don't meet these requirements,
I will use this money for me, and if Ukraine has reopened maybe I will go. 
So you are right I cannot rely on my good looks anymore but more on my wisdom, experience. 
Believe me the turmoil was minimal. But already too much to be frank. 
Having a strategy is giving control on what you do.
I do have one Krim 

[Patagonie]

So now sticking to the plan.
I got two messages without smiley in two days, wow I am impressed lol.     
She is in Moscow WTF? The best is to wait until she dares to give more information,
because I have noticed that if I ask it goes to the opposite direction, most of the time.
         
So I stick to the plan which is the necessary bricks to maybe build the appointment number 3. 
Every thing is fragile in the beginning of an international relationship and we are exactly in this shadow waters, additionally I suspect that her experience with foreigners in dating is very minimal and likely to be zero. That means no experience in managing a remote relationship, no experience with another culture, and with all the usual problem of languages we all know.
   
The very few members who write here  will be again tempted to discourage me and will focus on what I receive (and we agree that meetings were great but the communication is shit)   
But what is rarely or never discussed is what THE LADY RECEIVES?              So do you think that she is really keen to move abroad with a man she met twice five hours in total?Do you think that she is so desperate?         
She needs more,she needs to know where you live, 
to know if who are is fitting with a real name and a real history,she needs to know that she will not fall in a bed of a weirdo since her arrival.
She would like to know if you live alone, even better, but not possible in reality, to know if you are serious about a unique relationship.
She want to know if you have planned a real trip, or if you expect her to stay and your home all the time (and be your sexual slave and cleaning lady).
   
Everyone here, I speak about the guys who are married, you have been married, remember how our lovely FSU women were capable to take care of us when we arrived in their country? The level of attention and care they can deploy?So we must do the same.
   
       
In 2009 I scheduled a travel in my country with a lady I liked very much and that I had met in Kiev. This travel failed (but I hadn't full responsibility in this failure, the lady shared a lot) and I know that I didn't take my toll enough to deliver the highest level of information possible to make everything clear, easy, trustable and interesting for her. 
I would not like to repeat this mistake. 
Even it fails, this time, I want to be sure that I have done everything possible perfectly (human stuff could never been perfect, just to say). 
   
It's important to remember that as men, we talk about us, about what happens to us, how we should be treated but rarely what happens to the women side. 
     
   
So to summarize I will lay all the bricks so I can fight her back and kick her to the curb if she BS me about "non provided information" that make her indecisive (in women language a kind of BS which means that she not gonna to meet you)

[ML]

a man she met twice five hours in total?

My dear friend Pat.

That is exactly the problem.

You went there for 2 weeks to spend with  her right ?