New member seeking some guidance

[John_A]

John, I won't beat you up for spelling it wrong, but will protest using the beginning lines from a poem by Vladimir Mayakovsky. It reads:
Нет.
Это неправда.
Нет!
И ты?

Translation: No. It is not true. No! and (what) are you?


However, "Muzh" in Russian is муж. That means "husband" and sometimes "man" or even "lord."

Someday if you decided to continue this venture, perhaps a lady will make you муж и жена (husband and wife). Meanwhile, that "pig" has successfully accomplished what you've just begun. In fact, he has the knowledge to share a lot-- and you might benefit from learning.

I call Bullshit, not on your interesting etymology, but on your assessment of that boob. Anyone who doesn't have anything better to do than sit around and get his jollies by flaming people cannot be a happy, satisfied person. I don't see the point of following advice from people like that. I can only imagine that he's probably a very unhappy person if he needs to do that kind of thing to feel good about himself.

My involvement with a Russian happened  by accident. I am not in never was obsessed or fixated on finding a woman from the former Soviet Union. I do not see the advantages of looking in that venue exclusively, and with some exceptions question why anyone would ever feel the need to do that.

[Muzh]

I call Bullshit,

My involvement with a Russian happened  by accident. I am not in never was obsessed or fixated on finding a woman from the former Soviet Union. I do not see the advantages of looking in that venue exclusively, and with some exceptions question why anyone would ever feel the need to do that.

LMAO


Couldn't agree more.


Now it's boob, eh? Also unhappy. LOL


Let me call you spade. You seem to have some insecurity problems if a total unknown can rile you this way. Boy, you definitely need to lighten up.


Now, imagine you visit there with this attitude. Most in the former Soyuz are non-PC. They will call a spade, a spade. If you cannot take an argument at its core, that is a sign of insecurity and these Russians will have you for lunch with a nice glass of Chianti.


Of course, feel free to do as you want since it seems you know everything. 

[oso]

" I do not see the advantages of looking in that venue exclusively, and with some exceptions question why anyone would ever feel the need to do that."

John maybe you need to read a few more success stories. If you are fortunate enough to find the right FSU woman, your life will change dramatically in a positive manner. You will have a best friend who is incredibly loyal, loving and filled with integrity.

With your attitude and views, it seems that you will have to go through the meat grinder a few more times and maybe you will learn how to treat and respect others.

Consider yourself lucky it did not go any further with your Russian infatuation....She would have you for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

[deccie]

John maybe you need to read a few more success stories. If you are fortunate enough to find the right FSU woman, your life will change dramatically in a positive manner. You will have a best friend who is incredibly loyal, loving and filled with integrity.

Absolutely! I had a horror story with my ex but my wife is just incredible.. Best decision of my life to marry her.

[John_A]

John maybe you need to read a few more success stories. If you are fortunate enough to find the right FSU woman, your life will change dramatically in a positive manner. You will have a best friend who is incredibly loyal, loving and filled with integrity.

With your attitude and views, it seems that you will have to go through the meat grinder a few more times and maybe you will learn how to treat and respect others.

Consider yourself lucky it did not go any further with your Russian infatuation....She would have you for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

What-ever.

Sorry I have no interest in marrying someone with the emotional maturity of a teenager. I'm sure there are a lot of good Russian women out there, and I'm glad to hear some of you have had success. But, I sorry, there are also good women everywhere, I am experiencing no dearth, and I feel no need to use economic leverage to secure (and keep) a wife. 

Plus I see a lot of profiles on Eharmony of divorced Russian women, with kids, and already living in America and looking for a husband. Gee, how did they get here? Maybe its something someone should tread carefully around.

Muhz, the moderator sent me a PM yesterday telling me not to be concerned because most people here agree you're an asshole. =:D

Have a great day!

[ML]

If you are fortunate enough to find the right FSU woman, your life will change dramatically in a positive manner. You will have a best friend who is incredibly loyal, loving and filled with integrity.

I would have thought the Decembrist wives would be fairly old by now.

[John_A]

I'll say one more thing. I thank the well-intentioned people here who have given me sincere advice. Thank you very much. I hope your lives are blessed with happiness, marital and otherwise.

But I also think there are some people here who are here "for entertainment purposes only" and I think that's really too bad.

[Boethius]

Muhz, the moderator sent me a PM yesterday telling me not to be concerned because most people here agree you're an asshole. =:D

Have a great day!

There are posters here who don't like the truth when it's not sugar coated.  Plus Muzh is a lefty, at a forum where most everyone else is exceptionally right wing.


No one would post here were it not entertaining.

[Miquel Westano]

Muhz, the moderator sent me a PM yesterday telling me not to be concerned because most people here agree you're an asshole. =:D

Have a great day!

I guarantee you I am no fan of Muzh and vice versa, but I must point out he was here before you.  Before I ever posted I read lots of previously posted stuff and had a pretty good idea what to expect.  Now asshole or not, that is a matter of perspective.  I guess if you are a hard core lefty and a bit cynical Muzh would be considered OK.  And, if you are conservative and optimistic, he may be considered an asshole.  I am on record already and I doubt Muzh and I will ever exchange Christmas cards.  But he was here long before me and has just as much right here as I do. 

But the bottom line is you came here, posted on the forum and opened yourself up to all comers.  It then becomes your decision who you read and who you ignore, who affects you and who doesn't.  Personally I like your post and think you are OK.  But when you jump into the name calling and personal insult venue, you are putting yourself in the same category as the people you are blasting.  I speak from experience.  I have spent more time than I should arguing with people I will never change and that will never change me. 

Just ignore the haters, read the ones you like and enjoy the forum.  Life is way too short to spend it arguing with someone you will never meet.  I hope you find a nice lady and end up quite happy. 

[Boethius]

I guess if you are a hard core lefty and a bit cynical Muzh would be considered OK.  And, if you are conservative and optimistic

That characterization made me laugh out loud.

[Boethius]

John..

I got this message from one of the very first ladies in FSU I was in (serious)contact with, after I made a slight error not wishing her good morning 2 days straight on Viber, and I had sent her a birthday gift (a smartphone, not really expensive) so we could be in contact more bcs she did not have one.. I accidentally brought that gift up at a time and due to language barrier she thought I meant she owed me something.

We cleared all that up, but this message said it all I think.

"And My man will be write me first EVERY TIME! because I am woman!! My man will be doing all for me because I woman!! MY MAN after make for me any good after don't say me " I , for you and you..." No!!! Because he is MAN!!! If no - it's no my man!"

Women in FSU wants to be treated as WOMEN/Ladies/Royalties, you court her, your job is to keep her interested, you are the MAN. (remember that last part)

You are competing on an "uneven surface" .. the men there (most of them) do treat their woman as royalties, at least during courtship, so they expect that from all men.

An FSUM generally would not tolerate a woman writing something like that to him.   


Men there are more gallant, men are expected to pay for everything, they do court women, but I don't think  they treat their women as royalty.  Often quite to the contrary. 

[Miquel Westano]

That characterization made me laugh out loud.

I am glad I made your day.  But in fairness I didn't say those would be the only parameters that could sway a decision.  But I think either of those examples are pretty accurate.  There are millions of variables that go into how people feel about others.  But I doubt many conservative optimist would put Muzh high on their list.  His post tend to stray to the liberal and negative side more often than not.

He has a much right as anyone else to post as he pleases and people can respond or not.  Just like me, you and anyone else on here.  And John needs to keep that in mind.  This forum is just like a swimming pool.  Someone is going to pee in it, and you can either accept swimming in it or stay out.  But you can't control the inevitable. 

[Muzh]

I guarantee you I am no fan of Muzh and vice versa, but I must point out he was here before you.  Before I ever posted I read lots of previously posted stuff and had a pretty good idea what to expect.  Now asshole or not, that is a matter of perspective.  I guess if you are a hard core lefty and a bit cynical Muzh would be considered OK.  And, if you are conservative and optimistic, he may be considered an asshole.  I am on record already and I doubt Muzh and I will ever exchange Christmas cards.  But he was here long before me and has just as much right here as I do. 

But the bottom line is you came here, posted on the forum and opened yourself up to all comers.  It then becomes your decision who you read and who you ignore, who affects you and who doesn't.  Personally I like your post and think you are OK.  But when you jump into the name calling and personal insult venue, you are putting yourself in the same category as the people you are blasting.  I speak from experience.  I have spent more time than I should arguing with people I will never change and that will never change me. 

Just ignore the haters, read the ones you like and enjoy the forum.  Life is way too short to spend it arguing with someone you will never meet.  I hope you find a nice lady and end up quite happy.

Dude, if I ever bump into you, I'll buy you a beer. 

[Nightwish]

An FSUM generally would not tolerate a woman writing something like that to him.   


Men there are more gallant, men are expected to pay for everything, they do court women, but I don't think  they treat their women as royalty.  Often quite to the contrary.

I take it without problem since I know that her English was very limited, she wanted to get me to understand her state of mind, and I got it, I have heard many more say the same thing, both women and men, you are expected to act as a MAN.. dont think its anyting wrong with it, but we western guys dont understand that, we are too soft.. we have to re-learn how to act as a man.

of course they do treat them as "royalty", up until the point they have landed her in bed, then the dynamic changes.

[Muzh]

I take it without problem since I know that her English was very limited, she wanted to get me to understand her state of mind, and I got it, I have heard many more say the same thing, both women and men, you are expected to act as a MAN.. dont think its anyting wrong with it, but we western guys dont understand that, we are too soft.. we have to re-learn how to act as a man.

of course they do treat them as "royalty", up until the point they have landed her in bed, then the dynamic changes.

That's because Russians equate women to tiles.

[Boethius]

I take it without problem since I know that her English was very limited, she wanted to get me to understand her state of mind, and I got it, I have heard many more say the same thing, both women and men, you are expected to act as a MAN.. dont think its anyting wrong with it, but we western guys dont understand that, we are too soft.. we have to re-learn how to act as a man.

of course they do treat them as "royalty", up until the point they have landed her in bed, then the dynamic changes.

No, it has little to do with bedding them.   Finding and bedding women there is really not an issue, or so I have observed. 


It is a very macho society, partly because of its proletarian Soviet roots.    I don't think Western men are softer, the culture is just different.

[Miquel Westano]

Dude, if I ever bump into you, I'll buy you a beer. 

Muzh, we are likely to do battle many times on political ideas.  But just as I believe I have a right to my opinion, I believe you do too.  The OP jumped in and asked opinions.  When he did that he needs to understand he isn't going to like them all. 

You and I do have one common trait.  We are passionate in our views.  I don't see that as a bad thing.  So even though you may have been surprised to see it, now you know I think everyone on both sides has a right to weigh in. 

BTW, luckily for you I drink the cheap stuff.  Being from Missouri I still just drink Bud.  But, if you are buying I may try that imported stuff! :-)

[ML]

Try Stella Artois.

[John_A]

Muzh, we are likely to do battle many times on political ideas.  But just as I believe I have a right to my opinion, I believe you do too.  The OP jumped in and asked opinions.  When he did that he needs to understand he isn't going to like them all. 

You and I do have one common trait.  We are passionate in our views.  I don't see that as a bad thing.  So even though you may have been surprised to see it, now you know I think everyone on both sides has a right to weigh in. 

BTW, luckily for you I drink the cheap stuff.  Being from Missouri I still just drink Bud.  But, if you are buying I may try that imported stuff! :-)

" The OP jumped in and asked opinions. "

NO. Someone asked "how is this going/how did it end?"

I answered.

Muhz had to jump in and make assumptions about how I treat women and why I am single, trying to hit below the belt with glee, because that's what he needs to do to feel better about himself.

[Boethius]

I think you took his comments too personally.  It was a merely a bit of flourish.  I think Muzh is among the small  number of men on this forum who actually likes and respects women.  That is really what he was referring to, not to you personally.  At least, not how I read that comment.

[John_A]

Yeah, I had some more to say to him but the mod deleted it. I think it hit a little too close to the bone of truth. Wouldn't want to his feelings or anything.

[Boethius]

I saw your post and actually, no, it wasn't even remotely close to the truth.

[John_A]

Actually, on second thought I don't believe you. No matter.

[southernX]

john

well im glad you posted back on the experience
it has hopefully been a learning curve , and you will take some good things away form the expereince for next time


you will get varying advice and opinions , take what is helpful and apply it , ignore the rest

its forum after all , so you will get differences

thats what makes it interesting 

SX

[Anotherkiwi]

His post tend to stray to the liberal and negative side more often than not.

Miquel, why do you (and plenty of others) treat "liberal" as pejorative, when nobody writes "conservative" the same way?    What on earth is wrong with being "liberal?"