RW Women's jobs

[JamesTee]

Does anyone have any idea how a RW girl's occupation translates to a profession over here? I'm seeking a young professional girl just out of school, but wondering how much she could earn in the U.S. I'm guessing that a lawyer wouldn't translate well, but how about banking, dentistry, a doctor, nurse, etc... Any others? I see a lot of girls listed as "enconomists." What is this?

[catzenmouse]

Most girls would have to be re-educated into the system of the country they are moving to. In the US a doctor's degree from Russia would only translate to be somewhere close to an LPN. Same with most of the other higher degrees. This does vary a fair bit depending upon the degree and where she got it but over all she will more than likely have to start over. Economists can be anything from an accountant to a data entry clerk for a financial institute. As numbers don't change they would probably have less difficulty in getting up to speed in their profession here.

As always YMMV,

Ken

[PeeWee]

Most girls would have to be re-educated into the system of the country they are moving to. In the US a doctor's degree from Russia would only translate to be somewhere close to an LPN. Same with most of the other higher degrees. This does vary a fair bit depending upon the degree and where she got it but over all she will more than likely have to start over. Economists can be anything from an accountant to a data entry clerk for a financial institute. As numbers don't change they would probably have less difficulty in getting up to speed in their profession here.

As always YMMV,

Ken

I think too that it has to do with the ladies desire to want to continue on with her chosen career path. Some do and some don't. My friend Julia was a bank manager in Ukraine. She transfered her credits to a university in Mass...and in two years had her MBA in finance.

Two of my neighbors have come to the US with doctor degrees. One for China the other from Burma. Both had their US doctor status in one year of study an the local medical school. It can be done but do they want to do it because it does take a ton of desire.

Also don't discount rare or unusual opportunities. If you own a business then you can hire her. My friend who is a senior flight crew member with Aeroflot was given an opportunity to head the inflight services division of an airline that one of my friends was forming. She was also offered employed in the Aeroflot office in NYC.

Situation, timing, luck, and desire. This is America where anyone's dream can become a reality. I have a friend who is the VP of a large RE company who hires many FSU men and women and then trains them as RE agents.



Peewee

[jb]

This is another of those FAQs that we ought to get a handle on in our new section. 

Anybody feel up to the task?

JamesTee;

The sad truth is that there are very few job skills or FSU university or college degrees that will cross over to a similar position here in the US.  The ones you mentioned are especially difficult. Lawyer, banker, dentist, doctor, nurses, etc., these will all require extensive retraining and extremely proficient English skills before a Russian or Ukrainian girl right out of school would be ready for the US job market in any of these professions. 

[PeeWee]

This is another of those FAQs that we ought to get a handle on in our new section. 

Anybody feel up to the task?

JamesTee;

The sad truth is that there are very few job skills or FSU university or college degrees that will cross over to a similar position here in the US.  The ones you mentioned are especially difficult. Lawyer, banker, dentist, doctor, nurses, etc., these will all require extensive retraining and extremely proficient English skills before a Russian or Ukrainian girl right out of school would be ready for the US job market in any of these professions. 

The English skills may be a bigger obsticle than the training. I don't know if I agree with you regarding the difficulty of a doctor transfering. As I said two of my neighbors got their medical training in foreign countries. One in Hong Kong and one in Burma. The AMA tells me that 25% of the currently licensed doctors now practicing in the US are foreign trained. Unless the medical training in the FSU is so substandard to that of the rest of the world I am not buying it, jb.

I just met a woman today who was received her MD from the Medical University of the Republic of Georgia. Immigrated to the US in  1996. Now working in Seattle as now an MD., C.N.T., or so says her business flyer and card. I think if a person has the desire to accomplish something then the sky is the limit. This is the land of milk and honey after all. Why tell anyone they cannot do what it is that they want to do?

My son is a perfect example. He was told by an MD that he would not make it in college because of a disability that he has and that he should consider a tech school. Little peewee, much like his dad, said "FU, doc." He enrolled at the university choosing two majors. Chinese and computer science. I will admit that his beginning was a bit rocky but once he figured it out he was on his way. Oh, and last week he had a chance to go back to that doctor to tell him that he has just received a B in his advanced calculus class and that he had scored the highest math score ever recorded by any student at his college. Good Will Hunting comes to my mind.

If an FSU lady is whatever she is in the FSU she can be whatever she wants to be here in the US. Don't you dare tell her otherwise. Remember how to train flees. Put them in a jar that they can jump out of. Put a lid on the jar. They jump and hit the lid. Evenually you remove the lid but by now they have learned to jump only as high as the lid so they  now cannot jump out.  Get it?

Peewee

[PeeWee]

One more thing, as it applies to me. My lady friend is an MD. I asked her is she wants to attend medical school when she arrives in the US to live. I will pay for it. "I would rather be an astronaught." What do I say? I say, "Ok. We will see if we can figure out how you can do that." If that does not work out for her, and if she was really serious in the first place, then medical school is still plan B...that is after ESL classes that go up her kazoo and forever.

Peewee

[jb]

I'm not going to argue with you Peewee, if you say you met someone who arrived here 10 years ago and they have now successfully passed their medical boards, more power to them.  You and Michelangelo are usually a team.  Why don't you go over to the other thread, kiss and hug each other, do what you homos do, then tag team an argument with me, your running mate T/G is already there.  None of you know what the hell you are talking about anyway, but it might be decent entertainment.

[PeeWee]

I'm not going to argue with you Peewee, if you say you met someone who arrived here 10 years ago and they have now successfully passed their medical boards, more power to them.  You and Michelangelo are usually a team.  Why don't you go over to the other thread, kiss and hug each other, do what you homos do, then tag team an argument with me, your running mate T/G is already there.  None of you know what the hell you are talking about anyway, but it might be decent entertainment.

Now settle down, jb. I think the only difference I see between me, Turbo dude, and Angelo is how we view the glass. Half empty as opposed to half full. What I am saying is that in many cases time and again ordinary people had achieved extraordinary things. I have give you instance and instance of numerous FSU women who have come here only to excel beyond that which they accomplished in the FSU. So why tell this guy that it won't happen? Did you hold your wife back from that which she wanted to accomplish and now you wish to see more of the same by giving these guys your limiting advices? It seems that way to me.

Did you get a chance to view Alla, the Russian lady, who was one of the candidates on last year's "Apprentice." Came to the US a few years ago. Cosmotologist, I believe, now owns a chain of beauty salons and is richer than  you ever hoped to be. How can you advise these guys that these very capable women will not achieve what it is that they hope to achieve here in the US. I think it is  you who may not know what it is that he is talking about. I say that because I do not see anything like you explain in the people that I have meet who have come here from any foreign country.

Peewee

[Admin]

I'm not going to argue with you Peewee, if you say you met someone who arrived here 10 years ago and they have now successfully passed their medical boards, more power to them.  You and Michelangelo are usually a team.  Why don't you go over to the other thread, kiss and hug each other, do what you homos do, then tag team an argument with me, your running mate T/G is already there.  None of you know what the hell you are talking about anyway, but it might be decent entertainment.

John,

Please take it down a notch or two.

Thanks,

- Dan

[jb]

OMG~! Is there a emoticon for throwing up hands in dispair?

False hope is worse than no hope, please remember that.

There are only four real universities in the FSU, they are; Moscow, St Pete, Novosibirsk, and Kiev, all else is basically a college trade school.  If your honey didn't graduate from one of those four schools, with a high diploma, she most likely won't have the credentials to migrate her skills to a job in the USA.

An MD from the FSU will have to go through medical school from start to finish here again. EOS.  It usually takes 8 years to become a MD here, start to finish.  If your baby doll spent 6 years in Russia or Ukraine to get her MD, and then comes here, she'll spend another 8 years getting her license to practice medicine here, plus whatever time it takes to become totally fluent in English.

Medical diplomas from the FSU are basically worthless here, same thing with Law degrees.  Why oh why do you guys continue to pipe sunshine on topics you know nothing about?  If you don't know the correct answer, DON'T POST~!

[PeeWee]

OMG~! Is there a emoticon for throwing up hands in dispair?

False hope is worse than no hope, please remember that.

There are only four real universities in the FSU, they are; Moscow, St Pete, Novosibirsk, and Kiev, all else is basically a college trade school.  If your honey didn't graduate from one of those four schools, with a high diploma, she most likely won't have the credentials to migrate her skills to a job in the USA.

An MD from the FSU will have to go through medical school from start to finish here again. EOS.  It usually takes 8 years to become a MD here, start to finish.  If your baby doll spent 6 years in Russia or Ukraine to get her MD, and then comes here, she'll spend another 8 years getting her license to practice medicine here, plus whatever time it takes to become totally fluent in English.

Medical diplomas from the FSU are basically worthless here, same thing with Law degrees.  Why oh why do you guys continue to pipe sunshine on topics you know nothing about?  If you don't know the correct answer, DON'T POST~!

And your point, Mr Doomandgloom, is? My point was that if someone wants to achieve something then why hold them back? If my friend wants to be a doctor and wants to attend medical school why should she not do that? And why would I be the one to tell her it cannot be done because jb be said so. That is nonsense.

I told you about my banker friend Julia. Moved here from Ukraine where she worked as a bank manager. Enrolled at Brown University. Spent 2 years there and got her MBA in Finance and now works for Merrill Lynch. Had she met you, jb, you would have told her that her banking degree was worthless here in the US and she might try for a bank teller at the US bank.

Jb, you do not know it all. You kind of know somethings, and we like that, but when it comes to achievement and what people are capable of, well, I worry about you.

Peewee

[lindochka]

An MD from the FSU will have to go through medical school from start to finish here again. EOS.  It usually takes 8 years to become a MD here, start to finish.  If your baby doll spent 6 years in Russia or Ukraine to get her MD, and then comes here, she'll spend another 8 years getting her license to practice medicine here, plus whatever time it takes to become totally fluent in English.

I'm sorry to seem argumentative, but this is simply not accurate. In the US, foreign-trained physicians do not have to repeat medical school. They must pass the TOEFL if they were not educated in English. Then, like new graduates of US medical schools, they must take the MCATs and complete a residency program (three to four years depending on their specialty). They receive their (state-issued) MD licenses at the end of the first year of residency, as do graduates of American medical schools, and can sit for the board exams for certification in their respective specialties upon completion of their residencies, as can American-trained physicians.

These are national standards/requirements. Therefore, an FSU-trained physician with a good grasp of English could theoretically be licensed, board-eligible, and in practice in the US within as little as four years, not eight. My own internist's English was not so good when she arrived here from Kishinev, where she was a practicing cardiologist, so it may have taken her eight years from when she arrived in the US to when she was ready to hang out a shingle but that was only because she had to take the time to get her English up to speed for the TOEFL.

There are some other factors which can affect the outcome of an FSU-trained physician's efforts to obtain US credentials, among them the number of FSU-trained physicians who might be seeking a residency in a particular area. In my part of the country, where there are numerous medical schools and teaching hospitals, there is also a large FSU immigrant community which includes a lot of Russian-speaking young people who have attended college and medical school in the US. Thus, the competition among Russian speakers for residency spots is quite fierce and graduates of US medical schools would receive preference.

Some FSU-trained physicians go into other healthcare jobs, some opt out of healthcare fields entirely. (The brutal on-call schedule of residency training can be a deal-breaker for anyone much past the age of 30, even with a supportive partner/family.)

I apologize for the interruption. Please carry on.

[Michelangelo]

You and Michelangelo are usually a team.  Why don't you go over to the other thread, kiss and hug each other, do what you homos do, then tag team an argument with me, your running mate T/G is already there.

WHY DID YOU BRING MY NAME UP HERE?

More sarcasm...and an unwarranted attack on innocent people. I'm a homo you say???  But never mind that.  My question, in light of your posts here, is:

JB, why do you pretend to be an expert, but get the info wrong?  And even worse, you wrote "Why oh why do you guys continue to pipe sunshine on topics you know nothing about?  If you don't know the correct answer, DON'T POST~!"   I'll ask you to do the same; Don't Post if you don't know the correct answer.  And certainly drop your sarcasm; it grates on one's nerves.

Here you went...

OMG~! Is there a emoticon for throwing up hands in dispair?

An MD from the FSU will have to go through medical school from start to finish here again. EOS.  It usually takes 8 years to become a MD here, start to finish.  If your baby doll spent 6 years in Russia or Ukraine to get her MD, and then comes here, she'll spend another 8 years getting her license to practice medicine here.
Medical diplomas from the FSU are basically worthless here...

Yes, you are very wrong about the transfer of medical training into the US from other countries.  I work with many docs from countries around the world.  Outstanding docs.

Read Lindochka's post above. She nailed it.  These docs do indeed receive MD licenses at the end of first year of residency.  They DO NOT go back to medical school.  Yes, they have to pass the MCATs and do residency.  But they do not do eight years of medical school.

You were wrong.  I would have been content to simply read on and shake my head at such disdain you showed for the opinions of others. But you posted my name in this topic and called me a homo!  So I'll correct you on both counts; your comment about me and medical licences in the US.

It's embarrassing for you to be nasty and then wrong.  But I sense you are not a man who is reflective, so this mistake, and your attacks, will not bother you at all.

[PeeWee]

I'm sorry to seem argumentative, but this is simply not accurate. In the US, foreign-trained physicians do not have to repeat medical school. They must pass the TOEFL if they were not educated in English. Then, like new graduates of US medical schools, they must take the MCATs and complete a residency program (three to four years depending on their specialty). They receive their (state-issued) MD licenses at the end of the first year of residency, as do graduates of American medical schools, and can sit for the board exams for certification in their respective specialties upon completion of their residencies, as can American-trained physicians.

These are national standards/requirements. Therefore, an FSU-trained physician with a good grasp of English could theoretically be licensed, board-eligible, and in practice in the US within as little as four years, not eight. My own internist's English was not so good when she arrived here from Kishinev, where she was a practicing cardiologist, so it may have taken her eight years from when she arrived in the US to when she was ready to hang out a shingle but that was only because she had to take the time to get her English up to speed for the TOEFL.

There are some other factors which can affect the outcome of an FSU-trained physician's efforts to obtain US credentials, among them the number of FSU-trained physicians who might be seeking a residency in a particular area. In my part of the country, where there are numerous medical schools and teaching hospitals, there is also a large FSU immigrant community which includes a lot of Russian-speaking young people who have attended college and medical school in the US. Thus, the competition among Russian speakers for residency spots is quite fierce and graduates of US medical schools would receive preference.

Some FSU-trained physicians go into other healthcare jobs, some opt out of healthcare fields entirely. (The brutal on-call schedule of residency training can be a deal-breaker for anyone much past the age of 30, even with a supportive partner/family.)

I apologize for the interruption. Please carry on.

This is interesting and what you say somewhat confirms what I was told when I called the AMA in Chicago. As I said before my neighbor did this in one year. She had a MD from Burma so maybe this is not an apples to apples comparison with an MD from FSU. According to jb the FSU MD are the worst. I gather from his posting that the educational system in FSU is substandard to that of the US. That could be so.

I do know that when my lady's son needed dental work she arranged with one of her dentist friend to prefrom the work but then her and the dentist arranged to  have the materials for the work to be imported from the US. They my be somewhat lacking in the education but they are still pretty smart people to be able to think up something like that.

All I know is that I have been associated with a number of people who have moved here from the FSU and have done pretty well for themselves career wise. My friend's son arrived here from Russia about 3 weeks ago. By last week he had 6 job offers and chose 2 of them. He then bought a bike and went to work. I asked him mom about his ambtion with working two jobs and about the fact that he had lined up 6 job offers in two weeks from hitting our shores. I told her that was amazing. She said to me, "He is Russian."  And that, my friends, says it all.

Peewee

[PeeWee]

More sarcasm...and an unwarranted attack on innocent people. I'm a homo you say???  But never mind that.  My question, in light of your posts here, is:

JB, why do you make up stuff you know nothing about? 

Yes, you are very wrong about the transfer of medical training into the US from other countries.  I work with many docs from countries around the world.  Outstanding docs.

Read Lindochka's post above. She nailed it.  These docs do indeed receive MD licenses at the end of first year of residency.  They DO NOT go back to medical school.  Yes, they have to pass the MCATs and do residency.  But they do not do eight years of medical school.

You were wrong.

It's embarrassing to be nasty and then wrong.  But I sense you are not a man who is reflective, so this mistake, and your attacks, will not bother you at all.

You're nothing but a gay troublemaker, Michealgayangelo.  Might I suggest the you plan your next trip to the Swish Alps, perhaps? 

Peewee

[Sohkay]

lindochka,
Your comments are very welcome here.
Welcome to RWD.

[jb]

My own internist's English was not so good when she arrived here from Kishinev, where she was a practicing cardiologist, so it may have taken her eight years from when she arrived in the US to when she was ready to hang out a shingle but that was only because she had to take the time to get her English up to speed for the TOEFL.

I'm not wrong, Lindochka's post merely reinforces my comments.

In all the time I've been associated with Russian immigrants, I've never known a Russian MD to make the transition to practicing medicine in the US in the short time frame you mention.  It always takes around 8 years.  Much of the problems stem from the stringent rules imposed by the AMA, which are in place mostly to protect the high income of American doctors.  If it were easy to make the switch-over, America would be overrun with foreign MDs.  The AMA has probably decided; "If you want to play on our turf, you have to play by our rules, and the rules are stacked in our favor".

[BC]

I remember being treated by a doctor from India in Germany.  He spoke English but I really didn't understand a thing he was saying.  Maybe it was better like that.. I took the pills and all got better.

[PeeWee]

I'm not wrong, Lindochka's post merely reinforces my comments.

In all the time I've been associated with Russian immigrants, I've never known a Russian MD to make the transition to practicing medicine in the US in the short time frame you mention.  It always takes around 8 years.  Much of the problems stem from the stringent rules imposed by the AMA, which are in place mostly to protect the high income of American doctors.  If it were easy to make the switch-over, America would be overrun with foreign MDs.  The AMA has probably decided; "If you want to play on our turf, you have to play by our rules, and the rules are stacked in our favor".

yet according to the AMA that you site 25% of the US entire MD population received their degress some where other than the US. That is close to being over run, in my opinion.

I suspect the English skills play a larger part in this than does the brain power or the training. My lady friend was a surgeon...to do that you have to have some advanced skills and training, oh, and confidence as well. I am sure that she will transtion here in the US very well if that is what she chooses to do. She still has the astronaught job at the top of her list. I am saying nothing about it, other than, "You go girl!"

Peewee

[lindochka]

I'm not wrong, Lindochka's post merely reinforces my comments.

In all the time I've been associated with Russian immigrants, I've never known a Russian MD to make the transition to practicing medicine in the US in the short time frame you mention.  It always takes around 8 years.  Much of the problems stem from the stringent rules imposed by the AMA, which are in place mostly to protect the high income of American doctors.  If it were easy to make the switch-over, America would be overrun with foreign MDs.  The AMA has probably decided; "If you want to play on our turf, you have to play by our rules, and the rules are stacked in our favor".

JB, you are manipulating what I said to serve your own purposes and conveniently forgetting some of your innaccurate statements, i.e.

An MD from the FSU will have to go through medical school from start to finish here again. EOS.  It usually takes 8 years to become a MD here, start to finish.  If your baby doll spent 6 years in Russia or Ukraine to get her MD, and then comes here, she'll spend another 8 years getting her license to practice medicine here, plus whatever time it takes to become totally fluent in English.

(bolding mine)

My reference to your figure of "eight years" in the context of my own physician's recredentialing to practice medicine in the US was quite clear as being the amount of time it could take for an FSU-trained physician to be able to practice in the US, factoring in time to acquire proficiency in English adequate to pass the TOEFL.

Passing the TOEFL is a prerequisite to beginning the certification process. The length of time it may take someone to satisfy prerequisites is certainly a consideration, but it's not part of the certification process itself. Suggesting otherwise is akin to suggesting that the length of time spent in acquiring an undergraduate degree is somehow included in the amount of time it takes to obtain a post-baccalaureate degree. (Nobody says "wow -- it took him seven years to become a lawyer!" when speaking of a high school graduate obtaining a bachelor's and completing law school.)

But returning to the subject of physician training. The AMA and people's feelings about it aren't really relevant here. The relevant body in this case is the Educational Commission for Foreign Medical Graduates (http://www.ecfmg.org). The certification protocols are the same for all graduates of foreign medical schools outside the US and Canada, including Americans who studied at foreign medical schools. Time spent at this website could prove useful for people whose prospective spouses are physicians, as well as for the prospective spouses themselves.

There is also at least one additional and extremely significant factor -- the type of standardized tests that we use in the US. This testing format is no better known in the FSU than it was during the time of the Soviet Union or in the days of the tsars -- which is to say it's completely unknown. That factor, in and of itself, represents a large part of the learning curve. An FSU-trained physician who wants to obtain credentials here may have a good grasp of English but have to repeat the TOEFL solely because of the unfamiliar testing format.

I would also dispute your claim that

There are only four real universities in the FSU, they are; Moscow, St Pete, Novosibirsk, and Kiev, all else is basically a college trade school.  If your honey didn't graduate from one of those four schools, with a high diploma, she most likely won't have the credentials to migrate her skills to a job in the USA.

Uh, the FSU consists of a few countries other than Russia and Ukraine. 

The International Medical Education Directory (IMED, http://imed.ecfmg.org/) provides a list of all foreign medical schools accredited in their own countries. IMED lists a total of 87 such accredited universities in Russia (64), Ukraine (19), and Belarus (4) -- sorry, I didn't check Moldova, Armenia, Georgia, Azerbaijan, or the 'stans. FSU-trained physicians who graduated from any of these schools would be eligible to pursue physician certification in the US via ECFMG.

I don't know how long you've been associated with "Russian" immigrants. My own association dates from my birth.

Well, I guess someone who disagrees with me will be along shortly to impugn my sexuality. I think I'll grab a cup of coffee and read some more.

[PeeWee]

JB, you are manipulating what I said to serve your own purposes and conveniently forgetting some of your innaccurate statements, i.e.

(bolding mine)

My reference to your figure of "eight years" in the context of my own physician's recredentialing to practice medicine in the US was quite clear as being the amount of time it could take for an FSU-trained physician to be able to practice in the US, factoring in time to acquire proficiency in English adequate to pass the TOEFL.

Passing the TOEFL is a prerequisite to beginning the certification process. The length of time it may take someone to satisfy prerequisites is certainly a consideration, but it's not part of the certification process itself. Suggesting otherwise is akin to suggesting that the length of time spent in acquiring an undergraduate degree is somehow included in the amount of time it takes to obtain a post-baccalaureate degree. (Nobody says "wow -- it took him seven years to become a lawyer!" when speaking of a high school graduate obtaining a bachelor's and completing law school.)

But returning to the subject of physician training. The AMA and people's feelings about it aren't really relevant here. The relevant body in this case is the Educational Commission for Foreign Medical Graduates (http://www.ecfmg.org). The certification protocols are the same for all graduates of foreign medical schools outside the US and Canada, including Americans who studied at foreign medical schools. Time spent at this website could prove useful for people whose prospective spouses are physicians, as well as for the prospective spouses themselves.

There is also at least one additional and extremely significant factor -- the type of standardized tests that we use in the US. This testing format is no better known in the FSU than it was during the time of the Soviet Union or in the days of the tsars -- which is to say it's completely unknown. That factor, in and of itself, represents a large part of the learning curve. An FSU-trained physician who wants to obtain credentials here may have a good grasp of English but have to repeat the TOEFL solely because of the unfamiliar testing format.

I would also dispute your claim that

Uh, the FSU consists of a few countries other than Russia and Ukraine. 

The International Medical Education Directory (IMED, http://imed.ecfmg.org/) provides a list of all foreign medical schools accredited in their own countries. IMED lists a total of 87 such accredited universities in Russia (64), Ukraine (19), and Belarus (4) -- sorry, I didn't check Moldova, Armenia, Georgia, Azerbaijan, or the 'stans. FSU-trained physicians who graduated from any of these schools would be eligible to pursue physician certification in the US via ECFMG.

I don't know how long you've been associated with "Russian" immigrants. My own association dates from my birth.

Well, I guess someone who disagrees with me will be along shortly to impugn my sexuality. I think I'll grab a cup of coffee and read some more.

You have been a big help to me. I have been forwarding this good information on the my MD friend in Russia. I have another friend who is Ukraine. She arrived here about 3 years ago. On a mission this university degreed architect first secrured a job cleaning house while she attended the local community college to learn better English. She then enrolled in the ITT Tech school in the CAD program but first she too had to pass the TOFUL test. I helped her study for it.

I have not talked to her for a while but I do believe that she has graduated and is now working at what it is that she wants to do. It can and it will be done. All these immigrants need is to be shown just the hint of a way and they seem pretty capable of exploiting the opportunity and thus turning it into their great career paths.

Peewee

[jb]

Lindochka,

I pretty much never post anything without being pretty sure of my facts.  Below is a list of links to actual conversations with Russian doctors who have become certified, or are attempting to become certified in the USA.  Virtually of all them discuss the tale of a 7-8 year ordeal.  It's a lot to absorb, but I think if you, or any man living in his very crazy fantasy land, is thinking of marrying a hot sexy young doctor, bringing her over, getting her licensed, and then living the good life with early retirement, needs to become the expert on what is in front of the Russian MD before she will be making a decent salary.

There is also the side risk that a 50's y.o. man faces when he marries the young lady doctor, by the time she is certified to practice medicine, she has been in close association with other young doctors closer to her own age for 6-8 years who are still attractive, and her husband is now 60+, they have absolutely nothing in common any longer, and the marriage is probably in shambles.  In other words, big risk for very little rewards.  Almost all of the doctors list many marriage problems once they start down this path.  The work load to get it done in 7-8 years is horrendous, the husband will also have to assume 90% of the house-keeping chores to give the wife ample time and opportunity to study.  If you throw in a new baby into the mix, most young wives will want a family, I think you can safely push the completion date out to the 10 year mark or beyond.



http://forum.privet.com/viewtopic.php?t=33602
BTW, this link also discusses several other careers and job opportunities as applied to RWs.
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Êóäà â Àìåðèêå çàñóíóòü ñâî¸ âûñøåå ìåäèöèíñêîå?

 ìåä ñêóë ñ áàé÷åëîð äåãðèè ïî õèìèè

Research in neuroscience or bioinformatics

Çàðïëàòà âðà÷à â US

Âðà÷ õîòåë çäàòü íà CNA â CA áåç îáó÷åíèÿ. Îòâåò áîðäà.

Medical Technologist and Clinical Lab Scientist

[Michelangelo]

Lindochka,
...I think if you, or any man living in his very crazy fantasy land, is thinking of marrying a hot sexy young doctor, bringing her over, getting her licensed...

As for your other questions, my fiance and I have lived together while on vacation together for an aggregate of about three months total, broken up into shorter stays. (I have relatives in his hometown, where I have spent even more time over the last several years, and I already know his family; hence our choice to be alone with each other on vacations elsewhere.)

Lindochka is a woman.

[PeeWee]

Lindochka,

I pretty much never post anything without being pretty sure of my facts.  Below is a list of links to actual conversations with Russian doctors who have become certified, or are attempting to become certified in the USA.  Virtually of all them discuss the tale of a 7-8 year ordeal.  It's a lot to absorb, but I think if you, or any man living in his very crazy fantasy land, is thinking of marrying a hot sexy young doctor, bringing her over, getting her licensed, and then living the good life with early retirement, needs to become the expert on what is in front of the Russian MD before she will be making a decent salary.

There is also the side risk that a 50's y.o. man faces when he marries the young lady doctor, by the time she is certified to practice medicine, she has been in close association with other young doctors closer to her own age for 6-8 years who are still attractive, and her husband is now 60+, they have absolutely nothing in common any longer, and the marriage is probably in shambles.  In other words, big risk for very little rewards.  Almost all of the doctors list many marriage problems once they start down this path.  The work load to get it done in 7-8 years is horrendous, the husband will also have to assume 90% of the house-keeping chores to give the wife ample time and opportunity to study.  If you throw in a new baby into the mix, most young wives will want a family, I think you can safely push the completion date out to the 10 year mark or beyond.



http://forum.privet.com/viewtopic.php?t=33602
BTW, this link also discusses several other careers and job opportunities as applied to RWs.
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Medical Technologist and Clinical Lab Scientist

It is amazing. I was thinking just this same thing, jb. So what I plan on doing is demanding a prenup. The story plays out as you predict and smarter than Einstien peewee brain is set up big time with a chunk of her 401K and monthly support payments coming out of his kazoo. Maybe not Einstein but at least Liberaci, that gay piano player lad. Now there is a life style a man can really get behind...if you catch my drift. 

Either way, a winner. I have never thought that any relationship for forever. Whether  you know someone for 10 minutes or 10 years each and every relationship has its life span. I hope for the long haul and plan for the short, just in case.

Peewee

[PeeWee]

Lindochka is a woman.

I think that jb has included Lindogaychka into our homo group Michgayangelo. You, me, Turbogay and now Lindogaychka. I see clearly his agenda.

Peewee