The Struggle For Ukraine

[Trenchcoat]

A good run down of the situation at present in Ukraine:

http://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-russia-war-trump-putin-zelenskyy-latest-12541713

Basically Ukraine needs more help from wherever it can get it.

Charity donations are down, assuming that got where it was supposed to go. Ben Wallace expresses doubt over whether Labour are giving Ukraine much in the way of help other than supportive words.

Potentially Russia might be trying to crack Ukraine with the help of extra Korean troops & Armaments before their Soviet stockpiles run out next year. This is the point where Ukraine needs to find extra help from wherever it can get it from.

[krimster2]

this time next year, every western country will be working on an austerity budget due to slowdown

Trump has gone to extraordinary lengths to conceal details of his conversations with Putin, including on at least one occasion taking possession of the notes of his own interpreter and instructing the linguist not to discuss what had transpired with other officials. after a 2 hour private meeting with Putin

no one other than Trump and Putin, know what they talk about
sports?
fishing?
how to phuque up Trench's life?

[Trenchcoat]

Unless Ukraine has no other choice than to sign a peace treaty due to it's lines cracking too badly, and/or lack of Armaments, Munitions I think it would be a grave mistake for Ukraine to strike a peace deal with Russia that gave away any Ukrainian land.

This year is nearing its end, next year Russia will only have a number of months left before its Artillery & Tanks start to run out. In theory Russia won't have been defeated but in practice it will mean it all but has. So Ukraine is just a number of months away from that situation, throwing in the towel just before then will be an action of weakness. Ukraine's best chance of victory lie in perseverance and enduring until Russia is exhausted and falling apart.

[ML]

Sounds sort of naive.  Russia isn't running out of anything.  As I understand it, their factories are on war footing and are turning out increasing supplies of war materials.

I think it is the USA that is running short of war materials as we haven't yet geared up very much.  China might have an easy time against us.

[krimster2]

ukraine will run out of air defense first

then russia will focus on blockading energy and food
surrender or starve

Trump Jr. is already laughing at Zelensky's fate on Twutter/X
it's all about REVENGE for the pefect call with Zelensky and Trump will do WTF Putin will be paying Trump to do
which is to be a broker for Putin's acquisition of an additional 1/5 of Ukraine after Crimea

Russians can return to leasing Ukrainian farmland to Chinese for $$$ and Russian oligarchs get it instead of Ukrainian ones
is about the only change

other than the complete and total destruction of every major structure in Novo Russiya

total win for Putin

Putin HAD to destroy Novo Russiya in order to save Novo Russiya
same thing Trump is gonna do to America

[2tallbill]

I think it is the USA that is running short of war materials as we haven't yet geared
up very much.  China might have an easy time against us.

China can't even get to the USA unless they arrive in container ships. China couldn't
make it to Hawaii, we would have to rescue them long before they arrived.

Trump isn't going to start a war with China.

You were in the Navy. How many blue water Navies exist in the world today?

[ML]

Trump isn't going to start a war with China.

I don't understand your comment.

Did I suggest USA would start a war with  any country?

But we don't have to start a war to be involved in a war if attacked.

[ML]

How many blue water Navies exist in the world today?

From AI

As of recent assessments, there are approximately 10 to 13 countries with full "blue-water" navies, meaning they have the capacity to operate globally and maintain a sustained presence in open oceans. These countries have significant capabilities for power projection and can operate far from their home shores. Here are some of the prominent blue-water navies:

    United States – The U.S. Navy is considered the most capable and largest blue-water navy, with a significant number of aircraft carriers, nuclear submarines, and other surface vessels.
    China – The Chinese People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) has rapidly expanded, with carriers, advanced destroyers, and submarines.
    Russia – Russia retains blue-water capabilities with its nuclear submarines and limited power projection with surface vessels.
    United Kingdom – The Royal Navy has significant blue-water capabilities, especially with its Queen Elizabeth-class aircraft carriers.
    France – France maintains a blue-water navy through its Charles de Gaulle carrier, nuclear submarines, and global bases.
    India – India's navy has been enhancing its blue-water capabilities with carriers and submarines.
    Japan – Though limited by its constitution, the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force has extensive ocean-going capabilities.
    Italy, Spain, and Australia – These countries maintain smaller blue-water capabilities, often relying on alliances to project power.
    South Korea – South Korea’s navy has growing blue-water capabilities with recent developments in its surface fleet and submarine forces.

The classification can vary depending on the specific criteria, such as the ability to operate across oceans, conduct amphibious assaults, or maintain supply lines far from home, but the above countries generally qualify by contemporary standards.

[2tallbill]

China – The Chinese People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) has rapidly expanded, with carriers, advanced destroyers, and submarines.

ML, you were in the Navy. You've been on a "cruise"

Currently the Chinese have 12 nuke boats, total in their entire Navy, all the rest are diesel. They can't steam
to the USA. They wouldn't make it even if we didn't try to stop them. Calling it a blue water Navy is a joke.
They aren't going to have a blue water Navy some day in the future either (in my opinion). The Chinese can
attack one of their close neighbors, but they can't get here from there.   


From CNN
China’s newest nuclear-powered submarine sank earlier this year, US officials say
http://www.cnn.com/2024/09/26/politics/chinese-nuclear-powered-submarine-sank/index.html#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20latest%20China,48%20diesel%2Dpowered%20attack%20submarines.



From Google

"The Chinese Blue Water Navy is not fully mature, but considering their constant growth, China may achieve this status by 2049 , which is a deadline set by President Xi for his military to become a “World-Class Force”. Aug 18, 2023"

Bold by me

[krimster2]

the war with China will be a ROCKET War and an economic war, the USA dreams it will run a naval blockade on China
but an hour after the war starts, it won't have any ships to do that with, no blockade, no DooLittle Attack, No Midway either

only unopposed Chinese missile submarines off California and Washington
ergo, washington surrenders when they're put in "check"
otherwise we're gonna straight off trade a Trident II for a Kung POW!!!
and, aint't NOBODY GOT TIME FOR THAT!

China will want the USA to stop the economic war and close all military bases in Asia
meanwhile, a new multi-billion dollar Chinese Religious Organisation has become established in Houston, Texas...
straight from the Main Land

The Chinese Communist Party is running the biggest, wealthiest church in Texas!!!!
WTF?

Russians are gonna use Trump to steer the USA and China into an economic conflict
which will bring Russia and China closer together...and when you remove Russian sanctions....
it means Putin is gonna change his relationship with China, to be more on Russia's terms and less on China's

later, when the REAL conflict COMES between the USA and China
the Chinese are ALREADY WAY, WAY ahead of usa with DF-21 to DF-41 missiles, later DF-51, + adding AI ship tracking radar and manueverable ICBMS to make interception more difficult
they can be kept in caves, old warehouses, anywhere, then secretly moved and fired, cuz these are MOBILE ICBMs, something the USA doesn't even have ONE of
China doesn't have much of a Navy, cuz they have NOWHERE to put it, that's one of the things that makes Taiwan so attractive to them + TSMC, etc

while the USA sits there with 50+ year old MinuteMan IIIs and 60+ year old B-52s
they will launch brand new state-of-art,  DF-41s by the THOUSANDS at usa bases and ships in the Pacific

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DF-41

the USA already has incorporated Israeli Iron Dome into SM-3 ABM
they even have a special feature to use them with Israeli Radars I can't talk about
http://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=sm-3+missile

these will be easily overwhelmed by MASSIVE numbers of Chinese rockets
which they can make more of and cheaper than the USA
how did the USA win WWII?
same way is how China will beat the USA

China can make HUGE NUMBERS of missiles
cuz they don't buy them for a "CRAZY" price from Defense Contractors
no...the government makes them theirselves, and pays "cost"
and they're about 20 times cheaper than what the USA pays

the numbers are how they plan on winning

China has almost no bases for a Blue Water Navy
while the USA has China surrounded by bases

all these bases will BELONG TO US, say the Chinese

the USA is an old power like Spain
that'll lose it like they did

in 2050 rich Chinese dewds will be driving EVs through derelict America hustling red neck girls in dilapidated trailer parks
and this board will be AWD - American Women Discussion - but in Mandarin

you can buy a a stock chinese "agricultural" drone for crop spraying for between $2,500 to $5,000
and modify and upgrade it to become a small long range military cruise missile
smuggle hundreds into your enemies territory
and wreck havoc on the whole economy with a couple of dozen people
who are all undercover with day jobs

r/c model planes can be transformed into V-1 Buzz Bombs with pinpoint accuracy
thanks to a combination of low cost, readily available, micro-computer, video and radio technology you can buy off ebay

authorities would NEVER find ya
who do you think's doing all the "UFOs"
 
you think they're all Chinese weather balloons, high school science fair experiments, etc

no, they're Experimental "FOO" Drones

China owns the largest Private Airport in America North of Houston
it's all gated off
cuz it's a FOO Drone Factory

PS
Good thing America now has a stable genuis to guide it!!!!
Bone Spurs be damned
Trump will be well paid for the services he renders to all oligarchs both foreign and domestic
so he can donate his presidential salary for the PR to show how caring he is
and Fox will do a 1 hour show about it

the planation masters have talked the barefoot white farmers into attacking Fort Sumpter for them
so the federal govt don't tell states what to do

what a bunch of illiterate dumb phuque imbeciles

mah name is Billy Bob
and I can write mah name....
Billy Bob scratches an X on the ground, and looks up with a toothless grin wearing a red MAGA Hat
vrs a People's Liberation Army Billion Dollar Drone Factory with Thousands of Asian Women using sophisticated machines making gazillions of drones 24/7

who ya think's gonna win that? Billy Bob? LOL!!!!


Ukraine is gone...
what kinda deal did Trump make with Putin?
if it didn't include Iran
then Putin is just gonna pay Trump for the favor of handing him Ukraine on a sterling silver platter and keep the platter to
and NOT pay America anything
so Trump is doing this just to enrich  himself

Israel will be pissed if this is how it "goes down"
so that's why Trump gave them Mike Huckabee as US ambassador, a far right, Christian Wack-a-doon who sells Christian coloring books to the masses
who's one of them rather rare Evengelical Jew Lovers, instead of raging anti-semite

good thing, I'm retired, and can laugh at EVERYTHING!!!
cuz if I were younger, I already would've been "called up" into the IDF
giving me a week to decide to either report in or flee to America
and i'd have to go through all that shit, yet again

well now, that tide has turned more to Israel's favor
with the exception of the Iranian question
which, I'd listen to what Putin says about it...
when the war with Ukraine is over with, he doesn't need Iran any more
and he wouldn't mind their oil and gas being temporarily disrupted by a war
the only reason he WOULDN'T give it to Trump
as becuz Trump didn't ask for it, just a square block in city center, and 10% ownership of Rosneft
and nothin for the USA

as the brokerage fee for Ukraine

[ML]

ML, you were in the Navy. You've been on a "cruise"

Currently the Chinese have 12 nuke boats, total in their entire Navy, all the rest are diesel. They can't steam to the USA. They wouldn't make it even if we didn't try to stop them. Calling it a blue water Navy is a joke.
They aren't going to have a blue water Navy some day in the future either (in my opinion). The Chinese can attack one of their close neighbors, but they can't get here from there.   

Bill, I never meant to imply that China might attack mainland USA or even Hawaii, etc.

The war with China will start with attacks on USA military assets in the areas around China.

[krimster2]

"Bill, I never meant to imply that China might attack mainland USA or even Hawaii, etc."

YES HE DID BEEL!!!!
he's tryin to trick you!
but you are SMART and STRONG
he can't trick YOU!!!

only I am yur friend
is that...the precious...????

yessssss...
the precious!!!!!
schmegle knows!!!