Russia now starting to collapse.

[Chelseaboy]

In Russia there are bank runs but ATM's are turned off,bank cards deactivated,pensioners not paid,savings accounts confiscated and replaced with defense bonds.


Huge Russian TV propaganda channel 60tv news is in meltdown,discussing with bitter sadness how they failed the advance in their military operation and that the West has prepared for Russia's collapse and split.

[ML]

. . . savings accounts confiscated and replaced with defense bonds.

From what I could find, that is not what is happening.

i.e. savings accounts are not the target.

http://cbr.ru/eng/press/event/?id=14225

[krimster2]

two different things...
people are hoarding their cash by making excessive banking withdrawls leading to a banking liquidity crisis...
people sellin dollars right now can get WAY more than 70+ ruble market rate!!!
but there ain't gonna be someone so dumb as to SELL dollars in Russia!!! LOL!!!

somewhere out there on the interweb someone scanned the official proclamation in Russian about "involuntary" bank account conversions law, which just went into effect
google is your friend, and your wife can XLate!!  together the three of you can check it out first hand and read the law

had a cool time today
fired up the civilian  marine radar I bought off ebay meant for yachts
and watched the planes approach Houston International
now I can do ALL KINDS of hacking on it!!!

[Grumpy]

 I have been seeing what CB is posting about for several days, but have been unable to find reputable confirmation.

I did find this and it may be what is happening.

The Russian government can potentially seize about 60 trillion rubles ($750 billion) worth of people’s deposits should Western nations decide to block all of Russia’s foreign funds, Arefiev said in an interview with the local news agency News.ru on Monday.

“If all the foreign funds are blocked, the government will have no other choice but to seize all the deposits of the population, or 60 trillion rubles in order to solve the situation,” the official stated, noting that Russia stores over $640 billion of gold and foreign exchange reserves abroad.

http://cointelegraph.com/news/russia-to-seize-retail-deposits-if-sanctions-go-too-far-official-warns

also this:
http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/the-russian-central-bank-is-running-out-of-options/

The fog of war is sometimes very foggy.

[Boethius]

The effects of sanctions -

http://archive.ph/TO3Op

[krimster2]

nyet tovarisch, eta n'pravda



the Sonnenfeld interview shows the WSJ article is based on worthless data that is nothing more than disinformatze
knowing lots of yevrei at yale has its advantages, n'est pas?
if ya'll got a Russian problem in 'yo neigh-bor-hood, who ya gonna call?
Zhid Rus Busters
we ain't afraid of no russians/goyim of any kind (cuz we been successfully phuqueing with 'em for CENTURIES on a HUGE scale dawg)

http://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/year-after-the-invasion-the-russian-economy-is-self-immolating

looking forward, I see a growing "disturbance in the force" everywhere, and all at once, the damn breaks, the center cannot hold
darkness like a cancer grows

the resistance to totalitarians is spreading
Israel
Iran
Ukraine
USA

viva le revolution

didja know that Louis XVI of France simultaneously cut taxes on the nobles, and raised them on the poor
this eventually led to a rebellion of the poor against the aristocracy that led to Louis XVI being executed by guillotine on 21 January 1793 along with those very same nobles
I wish somehow I could acquire the economic data from that French period
and compare their level of income inequality with it's current value in the USA
I keep warning rich people about this, but they all think the status quo ain't gonna ever change
well...
so did Louis XVI

if ya'll look at what stalin wrote about in "Dialectical and Historical Materialism" published in 1938
the whole core issues of "social contradictions" is more or less
the  dilemma posed by the observation that "as the rich get richer, the poor get poorer"
and that the solution was a reorganization of society to reduce contradictions such as this
there are two ways to reorganize society, democratically, or by force
I hope the USA chooses the path to  be ruled by a progressive democracy
instead of by regressive authoritarians

but the "war" between these two sides is well under way

[Trenchcoat]

Globally the more people there are in the world the more cheaper labour becomes as labour becomes plentiful. So as time passes and the world population goes up the lower wages people in general bring home and the poorer people become. If a couple have more than one child then assuming those children survive when they pass on their wealth will be divided. Usually couples have more than one child which often means most of the population over time doesn't get all that wealthy as the wealth gets split over time. That of course means there is always a ready labour pool to be exploited as few are only child's from wealthy families. Stop working without means to support oneself and most people get poor very quickly even with a welfare state.

The world's population issue is of course a bit skewed as issues vary around the world, some countries more wealthy, exchange rates, living conditions, economies, etc and personal choices. I don't know how India manages to feed it's cast population, some it probably doesn't but its pretty enormous and I can't see how they can continue like that. It's one reason why it is possible that the Coronavirus might have been deliberate, wood governments realised we got to the point where far fewer people are needed on the planet or catastrophe awaits just around the corner. In the UK the Coronavirus rate is rising again and still some people dying from it so it's not gone away. Likely seen possibly as the only realistic solution to a world where people were no longer dying from the age old illnesses and too many people being produced at the other end.

[Trenchcoat]

According to this article Putler could be running out of money and means by which to wage war before too long:

http://newrepublic.com/article/171481/putin-russia-economy-going-broke-fast-why

If it gets to a state of no money to pay anyone that's when things could get interesting in Russia.

Can only image things can be great on the ground living in Russia or Ukraine.

[krimster2]

http://www.msnbc.com/trump-investigation/live-blog/trump-indictment-arrest-grand-jury-news-live-updates-rcna76523

oops! there goes Putin' hope to get Ukraine's aid cut-off
cuz the only thing Donald is gonna dfo, is make sure DeSantis will not be elected
thereby ensuring 4 more years of continued western support to ukraine


Putin's path to victory just got a lot narrower
and pretty much means either nukes or novichok

[Trenchcoat]

Saw that but will be surprised if it comes to much. If anything may play in Trumps favour can claim they're out to get him and keeps him on the limelight something Trump seems to relish.

[Chelseaboy]

http://www.msnbc.com/trump-investigation/live-blog/trump-indictment-arrest-grand-jury-news-live-updates-rcna76523

oops! there goes Putin' hope to get Ukraine's aid cut-off
cuz the only thing Donald is gonna dfo, is make sure DeSantis will not be elected
thereby ensuring 4 more years of continued western support to ukraine


Putin's path to victory just got a lot narrower
and pretty much means either nukes or novichok

There is no victory path for Putler....he will not be allowed to win.


If he chooses to use WMD's then Russia WILL be totally obliterated in response.


"Russia cannot come out of this war with victory,our future simply cannot stand it ".
Commander of NATO's EU forces ,General Christopher Cavoli.

[Trenchcoat]

There is no victory path for Putler....he will not be allowed to win.


If he chooses to use WMD's then Russia WILL be totally obliterated in response.


"Russia cannot come out of this war with victory,our future simply cannot stand it ".
Commander of NATO's EU forces ,General Christopher Cavoli.

If all conventional routes to victory are lost then Putler may choose to do what the US did to Japan and drop a couple of nukes to see if that will bring Ukrainians to their knees. If not more until they perhaps do. It's then down to see if the West intervene with Nukes, Ukraine is not a NATO member so it doesn't have to and to be honest once they fire Nukes in retaliation on Russia then it's MAD.

So odds are the West won't fire Nukes as likelihood is Russia still has plenty of ICBM's that fire just fine so we can't count on them not firing ok.

That scenario would leave Russia to clear up an Nuclear catastrophe in Ukraine but would probably win it the war.

Alternative is to use Novichok or similar on Ukrainian forces or mini nukes, radioactive dirty bombs or stuff off a similar magnitude n Ukrainian forces. That would likely be the first step rather than nukes but all depends on time & situation. Russia has shown that virtually nothing is beneath them so they might well stoop that low.

At present it looks like Putler is happy to hurl his menfolk to their deaths and think nothing of it, playing a war of economic and military attrition.

One of the ways to avert any of this of course is for Russia to fall into chaos and/or Putler to be removed. If a conventional defeat looks likely then there may be a Khrushchev moment where others step in and remove Putler and call a halt to it all and a replacement is ushered in to end it all and move on.

[Chelseaboy]

"Russia cannot come out of this war with victory " is clear enough.


The USA Defence Secretary Lloyd Austin had already stated "We're in it to win  it "


Poland  "If Ukraine is unable to defend it's territory then we will enter the conflict",whilst laying tank traps on it's border with Russia and it's citizens taking up 16 days military training.




NATO/the West has been careful not to escalate the war by withholding F-16's and long-range missiles that can hit Moscow from Ukraine.,,but if Putler uses WMD's in Ukraine be ready for shock and awe with the response from NATO.


NATO/the West will do whatever it takes to win this war....make no mistake about this.


If it means NATO forces taking on Russia in a conventional war then that's what will happen.


If it means a nuclear war between the West and Russia than that's where we're headed.....Putler will NOT be allowed to win.


Biden has already said the world is closer to Armageddon than it's ever been since the Cuban Missile crisis.


Anybody who believes NATO/the West won't go that far because Ukraine isn't a NATO country are in denial.


NATO has said ANY use of Nuclear weapons by Russia will have "unprecedented consequences."


The reason i've been so invested in Ukraine winning this war is because i know exactly what's going to happen if it looks like they cannot.


Be afraid....be very afraid...and pray that Ukraine wins.

[Trenchcoat]

"Russia cannot come out of this war with victory " is clear enough.


The USA Defence Secretary Lloyd Austin had already stated "We're in it to win  it "


Poland  "If Ukraine is unable to defend it's territory then we will enter the conflict",whilst laying tank traps on it's border with Russia and it's citizens taking up 16 days military training.




NATO/the West has been careful not to escalate the war by withholding F-16's and long-range missiles that can hit Moscow from Ukraine.,,but if Putler uses WMD's in Ukraine be ready for shock and awe with the response from NATO.


NATO/the West will do whatever it takes to win this war....make no mistake about this.


If it means NATO forces taking on Russia in a conventional war then that's what will happen.


If it means a nuclear war between the West and Russia than that's where we're headed.....Putler will NOT be allowed to win.


Biden has already said the world is closer to Armageddon than it's ever been since the Cuban Missile crisis.


Anybody who believes NATO/the West won't go that far because Ukraine isn't a NATO country are in denial.


NATO has said ANY use of Nuclear weapons by Russia will have "unprecedented consequences."


The reason i've been so invested in Ukraine winning this war is because i know exactly what's going to happen if it looks like they cannot.


Be afraid....be very afraid...and pray that Ukraine wins.

CB the West have to talk tough in the hope that Putler will think twice and self doubt that they are bluffing. That is exactly what the West are doing - bluffing.

The West lose nothing in bluffing as it's a free tactic that may help them win/stop Russia from using Nukes on Ukraine. Common sense though tells those of us with common sense that the West ultimately won't do anything. A scenario that results in MAD is a pointless situation to get into as it's game over for everyone.

So if it comes down to it and Putler uses Nukes in Ukraine the West will walk away and allow Putler to win I firmly believe. They know that Putler won't attack a NATO country as otherwise they will respond first conventionally then if it came to it with Nukes. They have no choice in that regard as we're all doomed otherwise anyway, with use of Nukes in Ukraine we are not all doomed only some Ukrainians are. As bad as that sounds it's the practical reality.

So if Putler stacked a NATO country he (should) know full well that it will bring all of NATO against him. There's not enough in it for Putler to want to entertain that idea. Instead he will go for the easy soft targets after Ukraine, so Moldova, Georgia then the Stans. None of them have Nukes either or are NATO countries, none of them are EU countries either so no mutual assistance treaty. Our Putler here is looking for easy wins and some measure of reforming the territory of the USSR/Imperial Russia. Taking Ukraine, Moldova, Georgia and the Stans largely achieved that enough, they are the core areas that still hold many Russian speaking people and historically the territory Russia has held more often. Once we get past Ukraine & Moldova much of Eastern Europe Russia hadn't held for so long and doesn't contain many Russian speaking people, i e, Romania, Poland, Finland, etc, etc. Sure it had some of them in USSR days but that was just for a few decades and even then they were down as 'Eastern Bloc' countries rather than as USSR/Russian territory per se though in effect they were controlled by Russia. So I don't think Putler is too concerned about them he knows he only has so long left and so much time and resources and has to be realistic. He knows he can get all that he really wants by taking Ukraine, Moldova, Georgia and the Stans to resurrect the Russia he wants and his country's prestige.

The fly in his ointment at the moment is Ukraine, his Generals fumbled the Ukraine invasion badly and made a catalogue of strategic mistakes that would make anyone with any clue about military strategy cringe. Mistakes so basic and elementary that it leaves anyone with any clue on military strategy in stunned disbelief that they would make so bad and so many errors. So it puts in jeopardy the who lot and turns what could have been a easy enough conventional win into a long hard drawn out fight where Putler losing conventionally has actually become a possibility.

For the west though they if Putler uses unconventional means to win the war, Nukes, Chemical weapons, etc they can only stand back and condemn such actions. Apart from any issues associated with such use, global warming (if believed) long term health issues, no go barren wastelands, etc the West know that losing Ukraine is not the endgame, losing it without a fight is bad play but losing Ukraine after putting up a strong fight is not so bad. Remember sanctions will almost certainly remain in place on Russia after any unconventional win in Ukraine, moreso if anything. That means a Russia increasingly being crippled and falling apart inside even as it's borders extend externally.

So for the West its a territory loss to Russia but part of a long game. It's the long game that the West know they are happy to play and stand best chance of winning. If Russia claim a short term victory in Ukraine by screwing up a lot of Ukraine by using unconventional weapons it's not a great win for Russia nor a loss that the West need to get hung up upon as there's more to play for. Remember Russia used to hold Ukraine as part of the USSR so it's really just a part of Cold War cat and mouse fodder between East & West. It remains part of that same East & West cat & mouse fodder today. Not at all nice for Ukrainians but an unfortunate reality. If Ukraine happens to win this war then they may be released from such a situation in the future should Russia disintegrate. Had Ukraine held onto some of it's Nukes it once held they would have been released from such a situation also and none of this would now be taking place, a silly mistake by Ukraine and the West really.

[Chelseaboy]

Believe what you like Trench...and that's your prerogative.


I remember posters on here,similarly in denial,scoffing and saying the thought of Russia invading Ukraine was ludicrous...but it happened.


If you watch Euronews today you'll see Lavrov certainly taking the stance of the USA seriously,calling them the greatest threat to Russian security,with Russia now forming an alliance with China and India.


I posted the NATO rhetoric yesterday,but let's not forget the Russians rhetoric.


The Russian Parliament said last year that once they've captured Ukraine they'll take Poland next.


The Chechen Parliament said that they're not stopping until they reach Berlin,unless Putin says no.


This year Prigozhin said on film they're not stopping until they reach the English Channel to lock us in.


Yeah sounds like Russia is really worried about NATO doesn't it ?


They're openly goading us.


Defeat the tough guys of Ukraine and the rest of Europe full of LBGT''s will collapse before them.They're full of contempt for us.


They don't think we've got the balls to stand up to them...and that they can do whatever they like because people in the West are weak and won't stand up to them when push comes to shove.They think we're all Chamberlains.


I don't think Putler is concerned about NATO at all,he may well believe that even if Russia invades a NATO country the USA won't want to get involved.


If he wanted easy victories he could have invaded Georgia or Moldova or the Stans first.but he chose Ukraine because he knew that, since his theft of Crimea, Ukraine had built up the biggest army in Europe and if he conquers them the rest of Europe will fall like domino's with much less resistance.


Russia is making their intentions very clear..it's up to NATO to stop them.


Common sense tells us that unless we stop Russia in Ukraine this war will spread and eventually NATO will have to directly get involved.


The USA is constantly monitoring all Russia's nuclear activity...they're doing that for a reason....and if anybody thinks they'll wait until they see where the nuke strikes before considering a response in kind...well they're living in a fantasy land.

[Trenchcoat]

CB, I too believed Ukraine would invade Russia and said so at the time as well so on that one we're the same.

There is always a lot of posturing and talk in war then there are the practicalities. Poland wold unlikely not be a next best choice if countries to invade for Putler. Poland is both a member of the EU and NATO so both would be duty bound to join in, if they did not then NATO would mean nothing and so too the mutual protection element of the EU. In addition to that there would be the threat of them being picked off one by one. I'm pretty definite that all NATO members & EU members would get involved especially as the war for many if them would not be fought on their turf but a fellow members turf which if course is preferable to waiting for war to reach them eventually. So then would commence a conventional war between NATO and Russia, only when one side starts to lose too much ground (likely Russia) would Nukes become on the cards. Upon that scenario odds are a peace agreement would be reached likely Russia agreeing to its original borders or in the case of the West just holding onto its territory at time of cease fire. With the overwhelming superiority of modern Western weapons Russia is likely to fair very badly indeed in a conventional war against the West. So attacking Poland is almost certainly idle threats.

Remember NATO is more than just the US, it is also France and Britain both of us have Nuclear weapons. In addition there is Germany that has produced many Leopard 2 tanks for itself and for much of Europe. Additional to that is our Challenger 2 & 3 tanks then the whole airforce of Europe, artillery, ground troops and the rest. Russia's hopes on that alone are pretty hopeless. So we don't rely on the US to win against Russia but I don't think the US will want to walk away from NATO and will see it as duty bound to come in if it is to maintain its creditability at all in the future.

Ukraine was Russia's first choice of target as they were peeing the Russians of the most by cosying up to the West too much and acting too independent of what Russia wanted. More than that they were a big strategic land mass on its border with Europe, the EU and NATO. They got Crimea but wanted the rest. They've got to get Ukraine to make getting Moldova a worthwhile endeavour. They didn't go for Georgia as they didn't want to give an early warning to Ukraine and the West on their territorial ambitions and aggressiveness. That would allow the West to prepare better in Ukraine. Georgia is a very weak nation both economically and hence militarily so they can be left hanging out there for after the big issue is dealt with - Ukraine. The Stans are stuck landlocked right next to Russia and far from any Western help so they will be easy prey to finish off at the end but again no wish to signal early by going for first. Russia already has a lit of influence over them and is propping up one of them so they will likely fall in line easy enough after Russia is seen taking the others.

The whole situation with Nukes is that it's fingers hovering over the Nuclear button, if one presses first the other will see the Nukes launch in its satellites and radars  based all over the world and will on seeing that press down on their Nuclear button to retaliate (give the order to fire Nukes). I firmly believe both sides would do so as once one side fire then that is all there is left to do, both lose. In theory even if one side pressed the huge nuclear fallout could doom them also, in theory. Possibly if one side chose not to press seeing that at least they had already lost/were doomed so little point at its best it would mean the other side just took out their adversary. I'm still pretty sure both would fire at least to satisfy themselves that their 'enemy' had also met the same fate.

So in such an event, Russia gone, UK gone, France likely gone, US gone also possibly whole of Europe. Maybe Canada & Australia although they may avoid the Nuclear fight. Quite possibly Russia may not use their vast arsenal and not hit non-nuclear weapons countries to avoid a lot of nuclear fallout. So potentially Europe other than UK & France aren't targeted (assuming the US haven't based Nukes there) Canada & Australia aren't targeted and neither are South America and Africa. China and India not involved along with the rest of Southeast Asia so they are all fine plus the Middle East.

So that's the likely Nuclear Scenario something like that. So if you want to survive get out of UK, US, probably France quick it Nuclear War ultimatums hit the headlines. My guess is that is why our Krim has a El Rancho in South America and taunts us for what us dumb phuques don't realise what is waiting for us on the horizon just around the corner

[krimster2]

the more impotent russians are in "real life"
the more aggresion they'll promote on Russian media to the masses
"We'll slay the West! We'll murderize them! Wait, I'm getting a bit dry, okay if I take a sip? Thanks, I'm back...We'll destroy the West!"  deep panting
remember in Russia, what happens on TV is MORE important than REALITY...reality is something for the masses to ignore out of existence
while their attention is directed to the lies being dangled in front of them
and repeat and reinforcee

Putin's minions have to be able to keep pulling the strings of fear and patriotism of the serfs
with the "the total reality distortion field" they generate

but...
one day REALITY and Putin's cynically created distortion field are gonna hit each other at high speed
and when they collide
which my guess is no more than 2-3 yr from now
russia will implode and explode
USA will have to figure out how to hold Chi-nuh back when this happens

Putin making an enemy of the USA was as usual a stoopid move
geographically, the USA SHOULD be Russia's natural ally agin Chi-nuh
so many advantages to this relationship, but it would get in the way of the FSB's plans that were cast long ago (and couldn't be changed)
and as long as the FSB/Mafiya is governing Russia, this is how it's gonna be
West = Boogyman, and we're protectin ya'll from the straw boogyman WE CREATED
to hide the fact that we're privitizing state assets for kopec on the ruble
that used to belong to the people

the oligarchy is willing to sacrifice an unlimited amount of gopnicks in addition to robbing them to preserve the oligarchy
Putin is the czar of the oligarchy and ordinary Russians are "serfs" they are the property of the czar
and they are COMPLETELY subservient to the czar, who manipulates them into being good little patriots, they have no rights or freedom
and now everyone in Russia is just one enemy denouncing them away from the Bolshoi Gulag

and when you think about things in a bigger context
what's the difference between Russians fleeing to another country to avoid conscription
and Africans enslaved in America who followed "the drinking gourde" to freedom in the north?
some slaves will not accept the yoke, and will try and throw it off
and others will put it on in exchange for some crumbs from the masters

the Russian oligarchy HAD to expand to ukraine, cuz it already stole EVERYTHING in Russia, with nothing else left to steal
classic resource depletion scenario, leaving them no way to "grow" in the future

only way to steal more
is to steal from a new territory, kinda like Rome and it's expansion of empire

so while the oligarch's will get the spoils, and from each, a piece to Putin
gopnicks will pay 100% of the cost of aquiring them

Rasputin's ONLY path to victory is to use WMD's in a scenario that doesn't involve direct military retaliation from NATO
think back to "The Red Line" in regards to Chemical weapons used in Syria during the Obama admin. (syria's novichok factory was secretly bought from Russian military)
use this as a starting point, now ponder the question, "how can Russia deflect retaliation?"
I see a number of approaches

the thing ya'll don't understand, even by Russian standards,
http://gosniiokht.ru/

these people are the CRAZIEST I've ever met in Russia, and pretty much EVERYBODY in Russia is suffering from some kinda "disorder" or other
but these chemists, are in a special League of their own
I learned a lot from them, but never let myself get sucked into their world, it's almost like a religion there

however,
despite my aversion to the moscva Novichokniks

I totally believe that Novichok(s) are the future of warfare, it's gonna be like "plastics" was in the Graduate
a new buzz word connected to the future

in the future we will not be able to wage war that consumes unlimited resources, like both world wars, those resources no longer exist in infinite qty to be squandered
look how much it cost, to produce one enemy casualty in vietnam something like $20,000 in 1970 dollars

after global warming kicks in, ain't nobody got the resources for that kinda war any more
and not when a penny's worth of novichok can kill 100 terrorists/fascists/people in your way
no other product on the market is as effective at ethnic cleansing as this
think of it as a kind of "Tide" for washing away all the human stains you wanna be rid of

no army on earth (not even the Ukrainian one, backed by the West)
can stop an idea whose time has come
and the lunatics in Moscva, are tryin to convince Putin
that Novichok's time is this summer dawg
this...summer....

Putin makes a LOT of really bad decisions, the bigger they are, the worst his outcomes are
a desperate Putin, will be even worse

coup plotters ponder
how do we use getting rid of Putin to get the west to remove sanctions, and NOT get stuck with a huge reparations bill?
pridorki don't even have a zhid on the team - guarantees their ideas are kakashka
very few russians can think outside the box, those that can, always get themselves into trouble, and so aren't part of the team
shouln'ta done all them pogroms cuz it got rid of your best minds...
and people like me don't feel inclined to come to your aid either

Russia, it's a long way down
ya'll gonna be the first domino to fall
but the future's gonna be REALLY hard for everyone
"...even in Arcadia"

[BC]

I remember posters on here,similarly in denial,scoffing and saying the thought of Russia invading Ukraine was ludicrous...but it happened.

I was one of them. Not in denial, but believing Putin wasn't that stupid.  I was wrong.

[ML]

Quote from: Chelseaboy on Yesterday at 05:44:40 AM
I remember posters on here,similarly in denial,scoffing and saying the thought of Russia invading Ukraine was ludicrous...but it happened.

I was one of them. Not in denial, but believing Putin wasn't that stupid.  I was wrong.

- - - - - - -

Like BC, I didn't think it would happen.

Don't know if I proclaimed it here; but I told my wife a few times that Russia wasn't really going to invade, even as their troops were massing across the border.

I thought it was all just a scare tactic.

Later when we started hearing how Putin had been told that Ukrainians would greet the Russian terrorists with open arms . . . it was just too surreal to understand.

[krimster2]

chicken/egg connundrum
Do dictators and dictatorships breed slave populations or do slave populations breed dictators?

my dva kopec
nations that have a history of dictatorships, produce a slave poulation that is then easily ruled over by its new "Masters" (monied oligarchs)

the voices that denounce evil
are evil's first victims
everyone else "must render unto Putin the things that belong to Putin..."
which in Russia means "the people" and "the wealth"
they belong to Putin
governed by the "consent of the goverened"?
you don't need the consent of slaves to be their master
just their OBEDIENCE
and to do that, you make yourself a god
Putin is a god with cracked clay feet
and the cracks are getting bigger and bigger with each HIMARS hit
one day, putin will have a great fall (out a window)
and all the FSB doctors
and all the FSB agents
won't be able to put poor Putin back together again

I have one condition to Russians to "come back to work"
release the freakin PEE TAPE NOW!!!
but you dumb phuques still think Trump is gonna help ya
that's always been your undoing
look how thoroughly phuqued up the Rex Tillerson/Exxon Mobile oil scheme became bacause of Manafort and Flynn and Trump
and still ya didn't learn

the whole Russian intelligence community is riddled with ass kissers whose only goal is to get a pension
in Russia that means "not making waves" make your boss look good, etc
people whose level of perception are beyond those of normal "rank and file" analysts
are ALWAYS not "neuro-typical"
Russians stimatize these folks, cuz humiliating others is a Russian "control" tactic
so at best, you work in a hostile work environment
the worst thing, is to be right, when they are wrong, when the results prove the correctness of your analysis
and when this happens consistantly, they become REAL insecure over you...
and if you're also not a native born Russian, then you're "not one of us"

now, instead of neutral co-workers
you instead have a LOT of enemies who consider you a threat and will work against you
so you must have the awareness of them, with the knowledge of how to neutralize their efforts before they even start them
all lessons learned, the student becomes the teacher

predators never suspect when their prey sets a trap for them
SURPRIZE!!!
the looks they give you after, is just freakin priceless...

I really miss Russia.....
but I don't miss having to "make myself useful" to the right people
as the sole means of my survival...
too risky now
it's like a chess player who can sense he's playing into a trap
even if you're Russian, you DON'T WANNA be in Russia right now
so why would some foreign tekno-geek wanna be?
oops - just drew attention
and if you ain't got no kriasha then you already in prison
you just better hope it's not the basement cells

so, if they stick ya in a cell, with a sloping drain in the middle
this is an execution cell
look at the walls, a few tiles are newer than the others

if your hands are free, and you have some tissue paper, etc
jam it into the drain to plug it

then when they come into shoot you with this little bitty 9mm makarov in the back of the head
and the bllod spurts out
when they try and wash it down the drain, it's blocked and floods the room with bloody water, and the commandeer is pissed at the guy who shot you!
later that night, while he's lying bed, he'll start thinkin about it
and he'll realize you did it deliberately to phuque with him
and from time to time he'll always keep thinkin about it

yeah Lubayanka baby
off the Lubyanka station of the Moscow Metro
you best not be takin any spirit EMP meters round these places dawg....
that could put you at risk in many, many ways

they ain't necessary anyway, if you have the right knowledge

[2tallbill]

This is not meant to start a huge fight (debate yes, fight no)

I posted the NATO rhetoric yesterday,but let's not forget the Russians rhetoric.

The Russian Parliament said last year that once they've captured Ukraine they'll take Poland next.

The Chechen Parliament said that they're not stopping until they reach Berlin,unless Putin says no.

This year Prigozhin said on film they're not stopping until they reach the English Channel to lock us in.

Yeah sounds like Russia is really worried about NATO doesn't it ?

They're openly goading us.

My opinion is that rhetoric is for internal consumption, to buck up Russians for all the
screw up's, deaths and injuries that have been foisted on them. Suddenly Russian
generals are done screwing up? They've solved their logistical and supply chain issues.
None of their other battle tanks had the copper stripped from them?

This year Prigozhin said on film they're not stopping until they reach the English Channel to
lock us in.

It's 2500KM from Moscow to the English channel. Russia has a better chance of landing on
Mars then reaching the English channel with troops with socks & boots on their feet or
beans/borscht in their belly's. France has nukes too. 

They think we're all Chamberlains.

The Euro's mostly are. Which Euro country didn't completely disassemble their forces
for the last decades? Germany took down their own nuke reactors making themselves
totally dependent on Russian gas and oil. Who in Europe doesn't have a map, globe or
history book? Yet look at what they've done.

Which countries in NATO have a blue water navy?

I don't think Putler is concerned about NATO at all, he may well believe that even if Russia
invades a NATO country the USA won't want to get involved.

Nobody wants to fight a war with Russia, but do you think he still is that naive after a
year at war? 

If he wanted easy victories he could have invaded Georgia or Moldova or the Stans first.but
he chose Ukraine because he knew that, since his theft of Crimea, Ukraine had built up the
biggest army in Europe and if he conquers them the rest of Europe will fall like domino's
with much less resistance.

I believe that before the fight started they also thought that they would take Kyiv in what?
3-4 days? Every kilometer they get further from their closest train station will make it
harder. Ukrainians are scrappy, tenacious, industrious, and tough.

The Poles are far better trained, armed and equipped than the best Ukrainian
unit. Surely the Russian generals and Putin are aware.

Who in Russia today thinks that the Poles will not fight aggressively on their own soil?

Edit to add: Ukraine has prepared for this war for 4 years, NATO has prepared for 75.
(I quoted that from Peter Zeihan)

[krimster2]

Last August a car bomb attack near Moscow killed Darya Dugina
and today they got Vladlen Tatarsky in St Petersburg
by someone who didn't care how much collateral damage he did, just to get that one guy
didn't matter
cuz ALL of Russia is the target

now is the opportune time to start taking down Tambovs

take a walk on the wild side

[Trenchcoat]

Last August a car bomb attack near Moscow killed Darya Dugina
and today they got Vladlen Tatarsky in St Petersburg
by someone who didn't care how much collateral damage he did, just to get that one guy
didn't matter
cuz ALL of Russia is the target

now is the opportune time to start taking down Tambovs

take a walk on the wild side

A good hit apparently done with an exploding bust of the man himself must have come as quite a surprise lol.

So who are the Tambov's? All I know is a city in Russia is called Tambov.

Putler's daughters must surely be on the hit list 🎯 Would be good to see Putler being hit where it hurts give him back a bit of his own medicine.

[krimster2]

Chicago Capone Crime Family
New York City  Gambino Crime Family
St Petersburg Tambov Crime Family

the blatnoys in Moscva are clients and friends
and enemies of Tambovs (rivals)
but I expect those who chose to remain
will have to end up fighting for their survival
in the chaos following Russia's collapse
totally why I tell 'em all to leave ASAP

they donot want to do "her"
cuz she's smart
she's a lot like me
knows how to play both sides
always give your enemies a reason
to keep you alive
that girl is WAY smarter than her papa
and that's all I can say about that

if I were a few yrs younger I TOTALLY would've tapped the pretty one
can you imagine being freakin Putin's son-in-law
sheeeeeeeeettttt

[Trenchcoat]

Chicago Capone Crime Family
New York City  Gambino Crime Family
St Petersburg Tambov Crime Family

the blatnoys in Moscva are clients and friends
and enemies of Tambovs (rivals)
but I expect those who chose to remain
will have to end up fighting for their survival
in the chaos following Russia's collapse
totally why I tell 'em all to leave ASAP

they donot want to do "her"
cuz she's smart
she's a lot like me
knows how to play both sides
always give your enemies a reason
to keep you alive
that girl is WAY smarter than her papa
and that's all I can say about that

if I were a few yrs younger I TOTALLY would've tapped the pretty one
can you imagine being freakin Putin's son-in-law
sheeeeeeeeettttt

Ah I see you are aligned with the Mafia (Blatnoys) and the enemies of the blatnoys are the Government Aligned Gangs (Tambovs). The Tambovs I assume carrying out similar criminal activity but in favour of those in government while the Mafia aren't in favour of those in government.

I recall you married your daughter's off to members of the Mafia, their sons, at your daughter's choosing of course.

So you're waiting to see if the old Putin/Tambov order falls and possibly a chance for those you have connections with in the Blatnoys to make a play for it?