The increasing draw of FSW going for Western Men in future?

[Trenchcoat]

A lot of the time on here we talk about the Western Man going for the FSW and what's in it for him and in the future. However, it dawned on me today that in future there could be more in it for the FSW let's say a Ukrainian girl than at any time recently.

I mean even an everyday looking average Ukrainian girl could seek a guy abroad in Europe, the UK, etc and upon landing one do instantly better than landing a local guy in Ukraine. After all the Ukrainian economy is not in a good way, the UK economy is much better in comparison. So long as the UK guy has a job, a bit of wealth behind him odds are the Ukrainian chick is going to be streets ahead by hooking up with him at least wealth wise.

So a savvy move by a Ukrainian girl? A good decision by her for a future more comfortable wealthier lifestyle?

I personally wouldn't be surprised if there is a big move by Ukrainian girls to go for Western Men at the end of the war or FSW in general. There could be a lot of go in it for them. What do you think?

[krimster2]

I predict a few years from now,going from the FSU to the west will be like moving from third class steerage to a first class suite on the HMS Titantic
either way, yur goin down with the ship

the passengers who understand what's coming will have the greatest chance at surviving it
by learning how to "eat the rich"
which is my "modest proposal" for dealin with income inequality caused by the rich

[ML]

Let's hope most of the Ukrainian women and men will stay in Ukraine and have many children.

[krimster2]

yeah, live in poverty, be ruled by corrupt oligarchs, have no viable economic future
while waiting for the Russian Army to come fer ya
having kids on top of that will make yur life a living nightmare in a 100 different ways

if the literal translation of utopia means "no place"
than dystopia is "every place"

of course, I have no idea what i'm talkin about
cuz I'm a complete lunatic
and an yvray marxist misanthropist, who is learning to channel his rage

when freedom is outlawed
only outlaws will be free
ergo, don't OBEY in advance...ever...

I remain, a defiant Texas Jew Boy

[Bee Farmer]

I mean even an everyday looking average Ukrainian girl could seek a guy abroad in Europe, the UK, etc and upon landing one do instantly better than landing a local guy in Ukraine.

Define do better.

She will be completely dependent upon a man she barely knows.
She will be in a country that speaks a language other than her native tongue.
She will have difficulties getting a job.
She will be in a place with different customs and traditions.
She will be far away from her friends.
She will be far away from her family.

And this is doing better?

After all the Ukrainian economy is not in a good way, the UK economy is much better in comparison. So long as the UK guy has a job, a bit of wealth behind him odds are the Ukrainian chick is going to be streets ahead by hooking up with him at least wealth wise.

Poor people don't understand how poor they are, or how different life is when you have some money.

So a savvy move by a Ukrainian girl? A good decision by her for a future more comfortable wealthier lifestyle?

A savvy move for a girl who wants to trade sex and her beauty in exchange for financial security...in other words, a prostitute.

Yes, it is a savvy move for a prostitute to seek out Johns who have more money.

But is that the kind of girl Western men are looking for?

[ML]

A savvy move for a girl who wants to trade sex and her beauty in exchange for financial security...

Doesn't this describe a huge percentage of women since the beginning of time ?

True . . . this situation is declining for women in developed countries, and maybe even in developing countries.

Remember the old saying:

Women agree to have sex in order to get married.
Men agree to get married in order to have sex.

And yes I know, women (most) now enjoy sex with or without marriage.

[Bee Farmer]

Doesn't this describe a huge percentage of women since the beginning of time ?

True . . . this situation is declining for women in developed countries, and maybe even in developing countries.

Remember the old saying:

Women agree to have sex in order to get married.
Men agree to get married in order to have sex.

And yes I know, women (most) now enjoy sex with or without marriage.

I don't believe I have ever heard that saying.  I have heard a similar (but different) saying.

Women use sex to get love.
Men use love to get sex.

I believe at the end of the day, most people want to love and be loved.  Financial security is just icing on the cake.  Wealth and physical beauty are not requirements for a happy marriage.
It is abnormal when the financial security is the primary motivation for women, and physical beauty is the primary motivation for men.  It is considered shallow, and looked down on by society.

[krimster2]

the fundamental problem with someone who HAS NEVER SUCCEEDED IN THEIR LIFE
is they REALLY DON'T KNOW HOW TO SUCCEED
so they preach about failure instead

Bee Farmer doesn't know a damned thing about this topic
and hasn't the slightest clue


"She will be completely dependent upon a man she barely knows."

yes - YOU!  an opportunity to show yur care and reliability and judgement
and the things you sow are the things you later reap

"She will be in a country that speaks a language other than her native tongue."
yes - you'll be spending a lot of time together and so will yur friends (if ya have any...)

BTW, some of the biggest EGO STROKING I ever got in my life
were my friends jaws hitting the floor when they met my wife the first time

"She will have difficulties getting a job."
my wife owns skin care salons and makes more $$$ than you do
hard workin immigrants is what AMERICA is all about
my wife is just as much an American as I am, maybe even more

"She will be in a place with different customs and traditions."
which are pretty freakin easy to learn

"She will be far away from her friends."
she will make new ones

"she will be far away from her family"
no - YOU are her family


if ignorance was bliss
bee farmer would be the happiest man who ever lived

BF, it would be easier for you to learn to love your solitary existence
than it would be for you to learn how to find a girlfriend
guess that's why ya chose the incel life
or more likely, why IT chose you
cuz of the completely dysfunctinal thought processes
that you inherited

don't blame the world or women BF
blame yur family fer makin ya this way

as ye judge, so are you judged
who is the fairest of all

my wife's beauty still gives me pleasure and happiness
La Belle et le Bette
all fiction has a reality

[olgac]

I believe at the end of the day, most people want to love and be loved.  Financial security is just icing on the cake.  Wealth and physical beauty are not requirements for a happy marriage.
It is abnormal when the financial security is the primary motivation for women, and physical beauty is the primary motivation for men.  It is considered shallow, and looked down on by society.

What You are saying is correct but as we have discussed it here previously there are quite a few people in this would a woman or a man can be happy with, I don't believe in the ONE. So why not look for someone you love among the men who are financially secure (for a woman) or in a different country. Different culture could be an added benefit for a woman in a country where local men expect from a woman to both contribute financially AND do all the traditionally female work in the household as well because it's a woman's job, in other words have two full time jobs.

[olgac]

hard workin immigrants is what AMERICA is all about

this is exactly right! First generation immigrants usually do much better than an average american

[krimster2]

instead of viewing the world with anger and resentment towards the outcome of what was actually yur own decisions
you need to learn why YOU are always yur own worst enemy, and how this occured
and not society, et al, etc
snd make BETTER decisions
if you don't even understand this about yurself
how will ya understand anything else?

Olga, has yur daughter ever visted Japan?
what was her impression?

if I was her, I'd be aiming for an advanced degree at Todai Univ right now
super easy for her to work in Japan
I loved it there and I love Japanese Kultura
i'm a "gaijun" too wild and crazy to live with civilized people, which is why I like Russia so much!!
but yur daughter would't be, her future in Japan would be MUCH better than in the USA
have a look at what I'm sayin...





 

[olgac]

Olga, has yur daughter ever visted Japan?
what was her impression?

No my mom invited her to go with her for free this summer and she loves anime and manga so I think she should enjoy it I love Japan! Weh have a big trip planned to Patagonia (Torres Del Paine NP) and Antarctica next winter so we aren't going to Japan though

[krimster2]

RRR-hen-tina!!!
Tierra Del Fuego!!!

the road less traveled
hopefully you'll start off in Buenos Aires
be hyper-aware of petty theft in Argentina, never take yur eyes off yur luggage, it's this kind of a place
but beautiful and charming
a century ago, Argentinians were wealthier and had a higher standard of living than Americans
it shows


 

[olgac]

RRR-hen-tina!!!
Tierra Del Fuego!!!

the road less traveled
hopefully you'll start off in Buenos Aires
be hyper-aware of petty theft in Argentina, never take yur eyes off yur luggage, it's this kinda place

Yes we are aware! We will be in Buenos Aires and Santiago, Chilie which is also very dangerous.
Need a lot of luggage because it will be summer in South America but need winter clothing for Antarctica!

[krimster2]

if it wasn't for the MAJOR earthquakes, I'd really like to live in Chile....
seems like every geography has some kinda "ISSUES"
fires, earthquakes, dictators....

"there must be some good place, somewhere over the rainbow where there isn't any trouble",
said Dorothy before the tornado blew her to Ozz

BTW, where you live in Reno, there's all kinds of amazing places within an hour's drive
on the other side of the big mountain south of reno, there are steep canyons with streams that form these oasis
not many know about them, I spotted them when I flew over them
and later hiked down there
it's like something out of a movie, super amazing

anything that's difficult to get to, will keep people and trash away
it was pristine and untouched when I was there years ago
can't say about today

[olgac]

Yes this is why we retired here! Do you know which mountain this was?

[ML]

Sorry for being off-topic, but ties in with what someone mentioned regarding other countries.
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Seems USA folks are often dreaming about going somewhere else to live (not talking about vacations).

I even walked along that path for awhile as a young professional with Australia in mind.

But as we are nearing retirement age, such thoughts and actions are foolish.
And health care is the reason.

Yeah, yeah, yeah . . . healthcare in XYZ country is just as good as in USA . . . bla, bla, bla.

But paying for it.

Medicare doesn't pay for medical expenses incurred outside the USA.

I have a male cousin who lived in country DEF for 20 plus years and is now over age 80.  One of his children, myself and a couple of other cousins finally got him back into USA.  People he claimed were his best friends in DEF were draining his bank account (which received his SS and private retirement money) every month and he was living in filth as we found out from other USA folks who were vacationing there.  He is in beginning stages of dementia.

He needs a lot of medical attention for various items . . . but keeps talking about going back to DEF because he can get these items taken care of much cheaper there.

And he keeps asking if his child is continuing to send money to DEF to help his 'friends.'

Luckily his child finally has complete control of his finances so can protect him from himself.

[olgac]

This is horrible! I saw a similar story about an elder Russian man whose son lives in Thailand with thai wife. His father has many health problems and dementia. The son sold his apartment in Moscow and rented him an apartment in Thailand where he was neglected, there was a woman coming to clean and cook but he received no medical attention and some Russian tourists saw the woman beat him! The man told Russian tourists he is a prisoner and wants to go back to his apartment in Moscow.  The son never visited

In general other countries especially with LCOL have much higher degree of corruption.

[krimster2]

the only mountain names I can remeber from there are Peavine and Mt Rose
next time you take off from McCarren Airport and the plane heads over there, look down and you'll see it
a long canyon with a turquoise river snaking through it
now ya got Google Earth to help ya find it
the hard part was finding a route down the steep canyon walls

BTW, nearby, the hills overlooking Virgina City are known for their amethyst crystals
an hour of hunting them yielded a pocketful of beautiful shades of purple and even pink embedded in quartz
you'll see a lot of "gold specks" in the rocks, it's iron pyrite though

http://www.google.com/maps/place/Reno,+NV/@39.3213031,-119.609282,3525m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m6!3m5!1s0x809940ae9292a09d:0x40c5c5ce7438f787!8m2!3d39.529919!4d-119.8142691!16zL20vMDZreDI?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDExMC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

look here on Google Earth Map
examine the area south of Reno towards Virgina city
what ya want to look for are the "long green lines" in the middle of a canyon
the green lines are vegetation from the water

get yurself one of those new water filters and you can drink this, so ya don't have to carry so much
hiking through there is amazing

I saw petroglyphs in one place


 

[olgac]

Thank You! Will do!

[krimster2]

ML,
Doctors in Costa Rica saved my wife's life (I was mentally prepared for her death)
she received top care from American trained doctors on state-of-the-art equipment
know what it cost me?

ZERO

socialized medicine

USA spends $a trillion per year on it's military
Costa Rica doesn't even have a military, so spends nothing
but they have socialized medicine

every developed country on earth has single payer health care, EXCEPT HERE
this causes us to pay WAY MORE for health care than everyone else and have a worse outcome
becuz the whole purpose of EVERYTHING here, is it's a tool for the rich to get richer
health care is just so insurance and pharmaceuticals can scam people
$$ uber alles
 

retire to a 3rd world country and you'll still have access to health care
my wife is proof of that

gazillions of US residents have retired in Mexico, thousands just in Puerto Vallarta (sp?)
between social health care and low cost self-funded, yur still way ahead of the USA
keep yur medicare card as a backup
read online how Amuricans in Puerto Vallarta deal with it

[Bee Farmer]

What You are saying is correct but as we have discussed it here previously there are quite a few people in this would a woman or a man can be happy with, I don't believe in the ONE.

Whether or not you believe in the one doesn't change the facts.  The data is quite clear, and is the exact opposite of what you would like to believe.  Almost everyone would like the data to be different, but the facts are what the facts are.  (It should also be noted that personal happiness should never be the goal of marriage.)

If a woman marries as a virgin, since the year 2000, her chances of divorce are about 3%. (It used to be around 6%.)
If a woman has sex with a man prior to marriage but then marries him, her chances of divorce are about 10%.
If a woman had sex with 1 other man prior to marriage, her chances of divorce are about 20%.
If a woman has had sex with 2-10 men prior to marriage, her chances of divorce are about 40%.
If a woman is divorced and marries a second time, the chances of divorcing a second time are currently 72%!

If there are multiple people a woman could be happy with, the chances of divorce would not increase with the number of sexual partners.  The chances of divorce would remain the same.

This does not mean that a divorced woman or a woman with several sexual partners is unable to have a successful marriage.  But the chances are much lower, and they will have to work much, much harder to make the relationship work.

The lower a person's standards, the more people who are potential partners.  (If their standards are low enough, such as prostitutes, they will have short term relations with a guy solely for their financial benefit.)

So why not look for someone you love among the men who are financially secure (for a woman) or in a different country.

This thread is not about love as a criteria for marriage.  It is simply about pursuing a marital relationship with a man based upon his financial standing or potential.

Prostitutes select men to have short term relationships based solely on her ability to get money from a guy.  Selecting a man for a long term relationship based solely on his financial standing isn't much higher than a prostitute.

[olgac]

Correlation does not equal causation.
When a woman marries as a virgin she is likely from a very conservative culture where the divorce is frowned upon
In fact both of them are
So this is why the rate of divorce is very low not because they are super happy
Divorce is very low among indians too who marry in arranged marriages.
But I have worked with indians and become friends and many hate their spouses and cheat!
The fewer partners the woman has the more conservative / traditional she is and therefore more likely to stay even in loveless or abusive marriage
Absolutely no news there. It says nothing about love or finding the one 😁

PS in my case i married my ex at 20 being a virgin, divorced 6 years later no kids. Mostly because the sex was not good and obviously I haven’t tried it before marrying him.
We're still good friends. Met my husband at 28 and still married at 54.

[krimster2]

the 40+ year old VIRGIN
the ONLY REAL reason poor 'ole BeeFarmer desires a virgin, is because he's one himself...
and he found a Christian Self-Help Book that validates his "condition" which he quotes here, instead of having ACTUAL EXPERIENCE
nature abhors a vacuum, so BeeFarmer fills his head with this
you see, it's THE WORLD'S FAULT for not seeing BeeFarmer's greatness
he's a victim, a martyr to his faith

that's his BS
the truth is, BeeFarmer is just "unphuqueable" and that's WHY he's a virgin/incel
and he needs to find excuses for this instead of overcoming it

next case....

[2tallbill]

A savvy move for a girl who wants to trade sex and her beauty in
exchange for financial security...in other words, a prostitute.

Once a woman gets over a certain age in the FSU local men will not
consider her for marriage. So in that case she is looking to trade
her love for your love.