Ukrainian Model found dead

[Turboguy]

I was probably an uninitiated newbie when I read Tiger Paws posts about offshore trusts, pre-nups and other financial maneuvers.    I started off in the "I am getting married for true love and a prenup is the last thing i want" mode and progressed to the "if you don't want to sign a pre-nup here is a plane ticket home" stage.

I then went from the I would not think about offshore trusts stage and where I was not even taking all the deductons I could stage,  to the studying everything I can about offshore trusts and going to make some big cuts in the taxes I pay stage since my government decided to D*ick me around over the visa.   I spent an hour on Amazon last night picking out good books on offshore trust and minimizing taxes (legally of course)    I have to thank Tiger for the idea.

so, yes, someone did believe some of the tripe he wrote.

 

[corncrowe]

I only "sometimes" will respond to women within a ten year age difference.  I think it's great to marry a woman twenty-five years my junior, but what???  She wants kids and a family.  Nyetski on this for me.

Jon

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Jon,

 The difference is that I made the decision that by marrying a younger lady that it would not be fair to her if I said that we would not have any children. We now have a 3 year old daughter which is just fine with me, not to say that you are wrong, it is the choices we make.

 
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Paternity Study Finds Daddy Discrepancies


Thursday, August 11, 2005
By Miranda Hitti


New British research is rattling the roots of the family tree, citing paternity "discrepancy" in perhaps 4 percent of fathers studied.

"Paternal discrepancy" is a delicate term for a loaded subject. It refers to a man who wrongly thinks he's a child's biological father.

 

[KenC]

Wow Tiger,

I am very suprised at your post.  If you and your wife are happy, good luck and God bless.  But when you go ahead and post:

If a woman marries a man because he has money, power and or a high social status (if that appeals to her) and the man is happy so what? Love comes and goes like the tide,

It is almost as if you prefer a woman wanting your pocketbook and staus over loving you.  Don't diss love, because it can and does happen.  I could understand that money, power and status is an attractive bait to gain a woman's interest, but to not even want an emotional connection is just plain weird to me. 

At least I know where I stand with my sweetie.  It is all due to what jb posted: my bananahammock!!!:cool:

KenC

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[Admin]

Conner,

As we noted in our PMs, neither of us are thrilled about an anonymous moderator.  In fact, my last several posts to this "dead model" thread were calculated to bait the new moderator.  I was curious to see if inflamitory ideas would be quashed. I wanted to see if the thread was indeed dead.

True to form, TigerPaws rose to the bait, so we see some level of guilt for having married for money, gawd,,, some people are so predictable.

Well, I was pretty much fed up with some of these morons anyway.  

Now that one is really interesting - about anonymity.

jb - you do not use your REAL name - any more than TigerPaws or PhotoGuy or HRBAdmin or Moderator. There are VERY few who post using more than a pseudonym. Jack, Bruno, me and a few others - but not many. Use of pseudonyms is just one way of protecting identity - same concept as an anonymous Moderator using a pseudonym.

The reason the moderator is anonymous is merely to allow the Moderator the freedom to edit/delete/whatever and continue to interact with the board normally.

In fact, one of the principles for moderation I learned a while back is to go ahead and do whatever actions are necessary without announcement or fanfare. Even more anonymity, in that sense.

FWIW

- Dan

[corncrowe]

Now that one is really interesting - about anonymity.

jb - you do not use your REAL name - any more than TigerPaws or PhotoGuy or HRBAdmin or Moderator. There are VERY few who post using more than a pseudonym. Jack, Bruno, me and a few others - but not many. Use of pseudonyms is just one way of protecting identity - same concept as an anonymous Moderator using a pseudonym.

The reason the moderator is anonymous is merely to allow the Moderator the freedom to edit/delete/whatever and continue to interact with the board normally.

In fact, one of the principles for moderation I learned a while back is to go ahead and do whatever actions are necessary without announcement or fanfare. Even more anonymity, in that sense.

FWIW

- Dan

Dan,

I agree.  My name, as stated on so many occasions is "Jon Campbell" and I live in Fort Worth, Texas.

I don't hide from anyone.  Matter of fact, Jack Bragg and Shadow "well if John would bother to show up in Amsterdam like we planned" know me.  I also know other members from the RWL and RBL list personally.  I met Rob in Kiev this May, and know others from personal meetings.

I am posted on the internet for many years as a writer.  It's too bad that people wish to hide behind a veil of disguise.  Be upfront, tell us who you really are, and let us become a real family without the "anonymous" facet.

Jon

 

[ronin308]

As I live in LA, less than 20 miles from where her body was discovered I really have to wonder what this has to do with anything.  This type of thing is not limited to immigrants. 

Two famous examples would be Nicole Simpson and Bonnie Lee Blakley.  Power and money attract both the good and the bad.  It's why I've never discussed what I am worth to any of the women I have written or met.  They know they will be comfortable but that's it.

LA is a wierd shift of morales, reality and everything else.  This story could easily have been changed to read Iowa model killed.  Hell you can even be a CA native and have that happen.

Yes, it's a bad thing but I don't see much news worthy for this board. 

[Shadow]

[user=17]TigerPaws[/user] wrote: 

 If a woman marries a man because he has money, power and or a high social status (if that appeals to her) and the man is happy so what? Love comes and goes like the tide, when a man and a woman come to terms with each other, respect each other and can get along well what else do you really need? 


I have often said that I place 80% of the responsibility for a successful relationship with a lady from the FSU on squarely on the shoulders of the man. It is generally the man who seeks out the lady not the other way around, it is the man who funds the relationship.

You are contradicting yourself in two paragraphs here. 'If a woman marries a man' and 'It is generally the man who seeks out the lady'

While men will do their best to attract the attention of ladies they are interested in it is the female fo the species who decides about starting and continuing a relationship. All your testosteron levels can be annihalited with one remark or look from a woman. If a woman accepts to start a relationship it is her choice, not the man's.

You seem to want to bring every thing down to a business deal. Ok. Here is the deal. You have a company existing for 50 years with a large capital. But because of the market people ask to extend your company. When you look for a partner a company offers a merger. It is a company that exists only 20 years and has a trendy flashy image. However the company has no funds, high expenses and needs to be relocated for the merger. Are you going to do the deal ?

 

[ConnerVT]

Now that one is really interesting - about anonymity.

jb - you do not use your REAL name - any more than TigerPaws or PhotoGuy or HRBAdmin or Moderator. There are VERY few who post using more than a pseudonym. Jack, Bruno, me and a few others - but not many. Use of pseudonyms is just one way of protecting identity - same concept as an anonymous Moderator using a pseudonym.

The reason the moderator is anonymous is merely to allow the Moderator the freedom to edit/delete/whatever and continue to interact with the board normally.

But jb, PhotoGuy, myself and others are not anonymous, even using our pseudonyms.  We have developed our presence and personalities for others to see and know.  I have learned who these people are, what their life experiences are, and how sound (or unsound) their advice is.

As we do not 'know' who this moderator is, he has not yet earned the respect that comes from having his information, opinions, and actions evaluated by the reader (back to the theme you so graciously agreed with me yesterday, Dan).  Although he may have earned your respect (thus being named moderator), not many of us reached this point of our lives by just listening to "trust me."

Even more strange to me, is that there potentially someone I'm interacting with on this forum whom has a 'secret life' as moderator.  Perhaps it's Bruno.  Hell, maybe it's jb!  All I know is I will be less trusting, not more, of whom I express my opinions to here. This can't be helpful to open discussion.

[Bruno]

JB, the moderator !!! Dan have say a European, not a anti-european ... me ? Certainly not, i will keep my freedom... be moderator cannot allow me to make engaged post... i have refuse on LV... and it will be the same for all forum... be moderator will be a nightware for me, forget my own meaning and judge post from a neutral way... too much difficult for me :?... i see more someone from UK, who was enough neutral, who is good with english and not too much engaged... i have think about Ste, a good guy... but the style of writing is not the same ... Maybe it is our last russian woman, Elena, CornCrowe have vote for her ... really, why care who is the moderator until he make good his work...

[Turboguy]

It seems to me we have a moderator like it or not.   Personally, I don't think mister mystery modertor is someone we know well like bruno or any other very frequent poster and I don't think it is Elen. 

Time will tell if it is an improvment or a step the other way.   Frankly I like this place but the thing I like the least is the personal attacks.   The thing I like less than the personal attacks is when someone's woman is attacked and called worse than trailer trash or compared to a murdered hooker.  The gals that are being attacked never did a thing, never posted here and don't deserve it.  I think if the personal attacks are minimized then i am going to think it is a big improvement.  

 

[BC]

If my real name were Micky Mouse it would not change the content of my posts in any way.  I use a nickname to maintain a bit of privacy. Certainly don't want some goofball that doesn't like something I say to find my tel number or other private info to do wierd things goofballs do.

As stated upthread moderating is one thing and policing another. We've been doing well enough imho moderating ourselves. Certain limits have been imposed and respected the last months as far as I can see.  Things were calm because the limits were tested and found.  I suspect these limits will now be retested to see where the boundries are.  IIWDFWI but too late now..  

The only thing I would highly recommend is that if posts are deleted or emasculated that the mod put a note in the post so that we can see that an intervention has taken place and can judge how deep the water is.

gotta wonder how the new moderator reads these last few posts.

Moderator smiles and is happy.

I will work very open. If I edit or delete a post I will show. You can tell me if you think I am wrong. For this there is also the Moderator topic

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/view_topic.php?id=746&forum_id=1

 

[Elen]

and I don't think it is Elen. 

he-he-he Of course it's not Elen

If it was me I'd recall each un-pleasant remark in my address from you, boys. And a huge part of you would be banned already:P:P:P

You can tell me if you think I am wrong 

Last time Dan said the same to me he was very sorry about that:D

 

Ps Elena is real name.

[TigerPaws]

[user=17]TigerPaws[/user] wrote: 

 If a woman marries a man because he has money, power and or a high social status (if that appeals to her) and the man is happy so what? Love comes and goes like the tide, when a man and a woman come to terms with each other, respect each other and can get along well what else do you really need? 


I have often said that I place 80% of the responsibility for a successful relationship with a lady from the FSU on squarely on the shoulders of the man. It is generally the man who seeks out the lady not the other way around, it is the man who funds the relationship.

You are contradicting yourself in two paragraphs here. 'If a woman marries a man' and 'It is generally the man who seeks out the lady'

While men will do their best to attract the attention of ladies they are interested in it is the female fo the species who decides about starting and continuing a relationship. All your testosteron levels can be annihalited with one remark or look from a woman. If a woman accepts to start a relationship it is her choice, not the man's.

You seem to want to bring every thing down to a business deal. Ok. Here is the deal. You have a company existing for 50 years with a large capital. But because of the market people ask to extend your company. When you look for a partner a company offers a merger. It is a company that exists only 20 years and has a trendy flashy image. However the company has no funds, high expenses and needs to be relocated for the merger. Are you going to do the deal ?

 

Shadow,

 Like it or not it is the man who seeks out the lady, either by placing an ad, going to a social, writing the girl directly or through some other means. It is the man who travels to see the lady, the man proposes to the lady (in most cases) and sponsors her through a K1 rt other visa. This is why I place the burden for a successful relationship more on the man rather than the woman.

 As far as rejection Shadow it comes with taking risks, so what if she says no, big deal and simply move on.

 As for breaking most things down to a business dealings, yes I do because that is what works, as for your question. I have never relinquished more than 49% control of any of the companies I have owned, so I always maintain total control. Ask someone who has sold more than 49% and you will usually hear them say they regret doing so.

 Sense you are making an analogy to a relationship, I will say that for me it is not a problem, my lady has never spent even 10% of what she has access to simply because she understands the value of money, she has a saying "if it is not on sale I can wait".

 

[Elen]

how hopeless for those who think love does exists:?

PS Tiger Paws! Did I get right you're going to make a long-time cruise at yaht?

If so are you going to take your son also?

 

[TigerPaws]

how hopeless for those who think love does exists:?

PS Tiger Paws! Did I get right you're going to make a long-time cruise at yaht?

If so are you going to take your son also?

 

Yes Elen,

 We are heading out this December (hopefully) in order to spend the winter crusing the Caribbean, we then plan on making a run back to Florida for any repairs and modifications to the boat before heading over to the Mediterranean for the 2006 Hurricane season.

 Of course we are going to take our daughter who is 3 years old now but my son is flying attack helicopters over in Iraq.

 

[Elen]

Ah, I see. I thought he was a boy yet

 

[PeeWee]

One more profile...the site where Ronald Singerman announced his engagement.  Note the date of November 4, 2002. She was barely 17 if we are to believe her model profile site

 http://www.russian-women-video.com/testimonials/group_tours.asp

 

Corncrowe...Zandvoort is a good place for a honeymoon

Hmmmm...to me that is not what I would call a woman with model qualities, unless that is a bad photo of her. To now put faces with a tragic story brings a measure of sadness to my soul. Beware guys, think with your big head and not your little head.

 

PeeWee

[PeeWee]

TigerPaws,

I guess that's what seperates us, I do not view working for a living to be the same as selling your sexuality for a living. You see it as the same, I do not. I'd like to see any survey that backs up your views.

Why don't you just admit that if you didn't have money your wife wouldn't have dated you in the first place? You married a girl who was attracted to your bank account, and not your other fine qualities.

Believe it or not, there are lots of fine looking FSU women who marry because they love the man, not his bank account.

 No I do not see any difference between working for someone else and a whore, both sell themselves the only difference is in what they sell.

 Personally I could care less why my lady initially dated me, or for than matter what her motivations were for accepting my invitation to meet for the first time in the Bahamas. The proof is in the relationship which is doing very well, the rest is meaningless, the fact is that I chose and chose well. I have also worked very hard to make this relationship a success and that hard work has seen us through some difficult times.

 I am sure there are any number of ladies who could care less (more or less) about the size of a mans bank account, that is not the point. The point is men of means simply have more choices, it is up to them how they chose.

 
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I tend more to agree with TP. The more money a guy has the higher up the scale his wife will be. Usually, not always. Most rich men attact the 10s. What women want it power and money. What they are attracted to is power and money. The better looking women hang with the men who have power and money. That is how it has been since time began.

PeeWee

[PeeWee]

Tiger,

Definition of whore:

1. A prostitute.
2. A person considered sexually promiscuous.
3. A person considered as having compromised principles for personal gain.

Take a hard look at number 3

Hum... All three sound like most businessmen and politicians.

 
[/quote]
Are you thinking Hillary Clinton here, TP? What are you saying?

 

PeeWee

[KenC]

PeeWee,

You wrote:

I tend more to agree with TP. The more money a guy has the higher up the scale his wife will be. Usually, not always. Most rich men attact the 10s. What women want it power and money. What they are attracted to is power and money. The better looking women hang with the men who have power and money. That is how it has been since time began.

No one is disagreeing with the fact that money and power is attractive to women.  The point is if in fact that money and power (without love) is enough to sustain a longterm happy marriage.

KenC

[PeeWee]

I was probably an uninitiated newbie when I read Tiger Paws posts about offshore trusts, pre-nups and other financial maneuvers.    I started off in the "I am getting married for true love and a prenup is the last thing i want" mode and progressed to the "if you don't want to sign a pre-nup here is a plane ticket home" stage.

I then went from the I would not think about offshore trusts stage and where I was not even taking all the deductons I could stage,  to the studying everything I can about offshore trusts and going to make some big cuts in the taxes I pay stage since my government decided to D*ick me around over the visa.   I spent an hour on Amazon last night picking out good books on offshore trust and minimizing taxes (legally of course)    I have to thank Tiger for the idea.

so, yes, someone did believe some of the tripe he wrote.

 

I am at least going to do the prenup. Washington State is a common law state. Last week I bought a home. Had I waited to buy the home after I married half of the home would be hers. That was a business move and I will continue to protect my assests prior to the marriage. After we are married I am perfectly fine with a 50/50 split. I also an just optomistic enough to think that this marraige will last for the full cycle.

PeeWee

[PeeWee]

[KenC]

PeeWee,

If you write:

 I don't believe a marriage is a happy one unless the love is there. Why get married if not for love? Unless one is so lonely in life that they need a companion. It can't be for sex only otherwise it would be less expensive to rent a woman for the night than to maintain a wife.

Then how can you "tend to agree with TP"?

KenC

[PeeWee]

PeeWee